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Delbert

10-23-2006 07:33:32




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Can tranny gears in a tractor be welded? They have some teeth missing. Would like to braze them to make new teeth if possible. Tractor not used very hard anymore. this is a 1953 super h farmall.




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Shovelman

10-24-2006 06:18:21




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 Re: welding tranny gears in reply to Delbert, 10-23-2006 07:33:32  
Delbert,

H parts are too plentiful to get into the time and expense of making or repairing gears. What are the numbers on the gears you need?

We finished up 2 H projects earlier this year, making 2 tractors out of 3. Ended up with a whole pallet of good used parts, including gears.

Would love to move all or part of it along, as it is taking up space in the shop.

Scott



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T_Bone

10-24-2006 03:57:09




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 Re: welding tranny gears in reply to Delbert, 10-23-2006 07:33:32  
Hi Delbert,

It's not so much the welding of the gear as it is the heat treatment after welding. Without the correct post heat treatment the gear won't last very long.

T_Bone



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kyhayman

10-23-2006 11:25:39




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 Re: welding tranny gears in reply to Delbert, 10-23-2006 07:33:32  
H gears are cheap. I sold a whole pallet (2 complete H gear trains and a 460 D gear train) for 200 bucks on ebay. Routinely, the whole blasted thing in the case wont bring $100 plus shipping when I have one to sell.

Even if its an oddball part, I'd rather try to get some new ones cast/forged than braze up one.



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kent

10-23-2006 09:33:52




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 Re: welding tranny gears in reply to Delbert, 10-23-2006 07:33:32  
WHY NOT JUST BUY SOME USED GEARS?--IF YOU CAN'T FIND ANY, SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW OF A PLACE THAT SHOULD HAVE THEM---HTH
KENT



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MikeCatthemuseum

10-23-2006 09:25:43




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 Re: welding tranny gears in reply to Delbert, 10-23-2006 07:33:32  
I have built up teeth on old machine tools, but these were irreplaceable soft gears and not subject to more than a few hp. I do not think this is a good repair choice for a couple of reasons.

First off, you really need to pin the missing teeth with steel pins driven into holes so the braze has some reinforcement. If you don't pin them, they will probably pop right off the base metal.

I like to install pins that are the same diameter as the flat on top of the tooth to get max support. The pins need to be straight in a line and EXACTLY in the center of the tooth, as well as perfectly square for this to work. This will be difficult to do accurately with a hand drill.

Second, that gear is probably forged, as mentioned, and is also hardened. Putting a torch on it is going to ruin the hardening and may release internal stresses, causing it to distort.

Add to this the fact that you will spend hours on end trying to file the new brass teeth to shape. If you have never filed brass you are in for a real treat. Brass will just laugh at a file that is even slightly dull, the file will just slide across the top. You'll need brand new flat and knife files to go at this.

You will have to blue the existing mating teeth and file until the desired pattern (a nearly full covering oval in the center of the tooth flank) is achieved. You blue the teeth, file, wipe off the blue, blue again, file, etc...

Now, if you can get the gear out, you can put it in a dividing head and use a horizontal mill or shaper to cut properly shaped teeth. That would be a best way to do this... BUT.

As you can see, the amount of chips and crud generated by the drilling, brazing and filing that will take place would be far better done with the gear out of the tractor... which was the whole point to begin with.

By now, you could have just pulled the tranny and installed a new gear. You'll never have to worry about it breaking again and it'll fit right out of the box.

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old

10-23-2006 09:13:41




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 Re: welding tranny gears in reply to Delbert, 10-23-2006 07:33:32  
Brazeing will not work at all and as far as welding them nope they will not hold long if at all. As tha other guy says they are forged parts and forged things and wleding don't get along. As many Hs that are out there you should be able to find gears and or another tranny.



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jpuleo

10-23-2006 08:54:56




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 Re: welding tranny gears in reply to Delbert, 10-23-2006 07:33:32  
If it were a rare part or kept you from having to take the trans apart I could see giving it a try with some special rod. But this isnt a hard part to find, so it seems like a stupid idea to me. May last for a ltime, but why take that chance if you have to take it apart anyway.



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Buzzman72

10-23-2006 08:23:54




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 Re: welding tranny gears in reply to Delbert, 10-23-2006 07:33:32  
Most gears are forged...which means that brazed teeth probably won't last much longer than a sno-cone on the equator.



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