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o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw

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tcwinkc

10-20-2006 23:11:59




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I am disabled and repair equipment when not in the hospital.I depend on the money to keep my home as disabilty just doesnt stretch that far. A saw I repaired for a tree trimmer was in my truck yesterday evening and came up missing.The only one other then me that knew it was in my truck was the owner of saw.I have not been able to get him to pickup saw for the last three months,he was to busy to come out and get it. Needing the money I said I would deliver it. I had trouble with my truck on the way and called him around five to tell him I could not make it tonite. Myself and a friend were in and out of shop, near truck until seven.this is when I saw that saw was gone. when I returned home this morning I had several messages from the guy desperate to pick up saw.Before I could reach him he was here.Is it me or does this seem suspicious? I let him use my saw unitl I could figure out what happened.I have never had anything stolen from here in seven years.My ins. deductible is $500, near the cost of saw.The saw was in rough shape,but I am at a loss of what to do.I am not trying to duck responsibiltiy, it just seems to big of a coincidence. What do you guys think?

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txwinkc

10-22-2006 22:23:38




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to tcwinkc, 10-20-2006 23:11:59  
Thank you all for your comments, a friend drove buy a job site this tree trimmer was working at today, low and behold the saw was being used to fell a large tree.My friend initially noticed as he was going to ask for firewood. He was familiar with saw as I was going to sell it to him for the 100.00 repair bill if the guy did not pickup by the end of Nov. My friend called me and told me where he was but by the time I got there he had already left. Tree is down but still needs cleaned up,guess I will just continue to drive by.I think this will be the easiest way to resolve the problem is to find him using it.Thank you all again.

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Stumpalump

10-26-2006 13:12:01




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to txwinkc, 10-22-2006 22:23:38  
Hopfully you reported it stollen. If you see him using it call 911 and let your taxes go to work for you. If you just get your money you are just enabaling the dirtbag to rip off sombody again. Nice detective work, now let the cops clean it up.



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MarkB_MI

10-23-2006 18:58:31




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to txwinkc, 10-22-2006 22:23:38  
Your customer needs to go to jail. Report the entire incident to your local law enforcement agency. They may try to tell you that it's a civil matter, but push the point that the saw was stolen out of your vehicle.



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135 Fan

10-23-2006 00:02:59




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to txwinkc, 10-22-2006 22:23:38  
Go to the police and have him charged with theft and also pay repair and storage charges! In my experience intuition is usually right. You are handicapped and tried to help him. I would have no sympathy for this low life. Glad your friend saw it. When you get your judgement, if he doesn't pay you can have his income seized. It might be best to let the police handle it so he doesn't do it to someone else. You could maybe tell the people that had the tree cut about this fool. Unbelievable! Take him to the cleaners and write a letter to the local paper telling your story. Hopefully you'll put him out of business. Happy fixin. Dave

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Dannie

10-22-2006 05:13:54




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to tcwinkc, 10-20-2006 23:11:59  
Put up a sign where it can be seen that all repair equipment not picked up after 7 days of notice of repair will have $2 storage charge for each day up to 30 days and equipment will be sold for bill after 30 days.This has worked for me and other shops in area.



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Stumpalump

10-21-2006 09:50:30




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to tcwinkc, 10-20-2006 23:11:59  
Figured out who stole from my car when I was 18. The 16 yeay old came at me with a beer bottle when I confronted him and he wound up with a tooth knocked loose. Guess who got locked up. The judge believed the whole story and only fined me 50 bucks and the parents droped the civle suit. I'd tell this guy you are working on it to give you time. Poke around his hangouts, pawn shops ect. Go to a pawn shop and find out the value of a wore out Still like his. Mabey ask a Still dealer what trade in value would be. Average the two to get a low value. Subtract what he ows you for repair and pay him the difference with check. Tell him thats how it works in cases like this. Just acked sorry but professional and sugest small claims. Hopfully you can get off cheap. If you find out he riped you off and you give him what he really deserves I'll chip in to your defence fund.

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MarkB_MI

10-21-2006 05:08:31




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to tcwinkc, 10-20-2006 23:11:59  
IANAL, but I think under the circumstances he could not collect a judgement from you in court. Regardless of who actually stole the saw, it seems to me that his actions were tantamount to abandonment of his property.

Another thing to consider is that when you hold someone else's property, it is called a "bailment". Because the bailment was for you and your customer's mutual benefit, you would be expected to take "ordinary care" of the property. This means that you should do whatever an ordinary person would do to protect the property. Was the saw in plain view in a unlocked vehicle? Where was the vehicle parked? If it was your own property, would you have left the saw where it was?

I think you have nothing to lose by refusing to pay him for the saw. If he files suit, you can hand it over to your insurance company at that time.

If you decide to pay him, I would certainly only compensate him for the depreciated value of the saw, minus the cost of repairs. I think you should also deduct storage for the days that you kept it after it was repaired. So if the saw was $500 new, then the depreciated value would be maybe $250 (after repairs); deduct repairs and storage, maybe you owe him 100 bucks.

Maybe JohnT has something to add.

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135 Fan

10-21-2006 12:50:11




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to MarkB_MI, 10-21-2006 05:08:31  
I don't know if poking around his place would be a good idea [trespassing]. Hopefully he is reasonable. You did him a favor fixing the saw cheaper and then were going to do another favor delivering it. If he had came and picked it up when you first told him it was ready, everything else would have been avoided. You can't be expected to baby sit his saw under lock and key for 3 months. Just curious, how much was the repair bill? He might have taken it to a dealer before you and it wasn't worth fixing. Storage of only $2/day times 3 months is $180. $3 is $270 and so on. The guy should be kicking himself for not picking it up. Good luck, you sound like a pretty honest and decent guy. Dave

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Roy Suomi

10-21-2006 04:10:17




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to tcwinkc, 10-20-2006 23:11:59  
A new sign to be put up in your garage..... "Equipment left over 30 days from notice of completion will be sold for repairs".....It saves a lot of problems....



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135 Fan

10-21-2006 02:22:16




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to tcwinkc, 10-20-2006 23:11:59  
It sounds suspicious to me. He wasn't even concerned about the saw until you were going to deliver it? Most shops would consider it abandoned if it sat around for 1 month let alone 3 months. He probably didn't want to pay to fix an old saw and thought he could get it replaced for free. If he's really really mad about it, it would show more suspicion. Talking to the police might help. If he is reasonable you should be able to work something out. If not tell him the storage charges are worth more than the saw. I've been suckered more than a few times and this sounds fishy. Make sure to get your saw back. Good luck. PS/ The police talking to him or going to his place may resolve it easily. Dave

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jmixigo

10-20-2006 23:30:04




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 Re: o/t Missing Stihl chainsaw in reply to tcwinkc, 10-20-2006 23:11:59  
I think that:
I don't believe in coincidence much, when things seem related they USUALLY are.
I would file a police report, myself.
I would check around the pawn shops and saw shops, just in case.
I would not say a thing to this feller bout any of it cause you don't have a single concrete fact that really proves any thing.
And I think that the next time he needed his saw worked on I'd be way too busy to take his business rite then.
That's just what I think.

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