Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Tool Talk Discussion Forum

power to garage

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
ross in ns

10-19-2006 14:34:02




Report to Moderator

hi all going to put power out to the garage out back it is about 180 feet from house have been gathering up some tech cable here and there have 4 pieces to put togrther got the weather proof boxes all have been the right price FREE my question i have 2 pieces of #8 1 piece 0f #6 and a longer piece of # 4wire can i join the #8to the #4 with the big marr fittings or should i keep looking for the same size wire thanks ross

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Short Round

10-20-2006 12:04:41




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to ross in ns, 10-19-2006 14:34:02  
Hire a licensed electrician and pay him/her to do the job and consider it a bargain. It is your home and garage and anyone can see by the questions that there is a lack of knowledge reguarding the electrical trade. IF you dont you will end up with a ton of code violations and having to do it over again, or perhaps a fire or get someone hurt or killed. As far as the "farmer fixes" go, some of the most knowledgable people I have met and done work for in the last 30 years in the electrical trade have been farmers. As has been said, "Dont talk about farmers with your mouth full" This type of question is why almost never answer any electrical questions on this board. There is more to the trade than "black goes to black and white goes to white." In a lot of these type of situations one can see why a little bit of knowledge can be a very dangerous thing.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Richard H.

10-21-2006 10:04:18




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to Short Round, 10-20-2006 12:04:41  
I"ll see your thirty years and raise you six! That was very well said Short Round. Richard H.481



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
bil b va

10-21-2006 05:01:18




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to Short Round, 10-20-2006 12:04:41  

i am glad you weren't around to advise thomas edison and some of the other electrical expermenters and pioneers .



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Short Round

10-21-2006 09:05:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to bil b va, 10-21-2006 05:01:18  
Bil B Va, there is a huge difference between an experiment under controled conditions, and a persons house, home, and peoples lives. If you want to "experiment" and risk your house or familes lives who are we to stop you? As for most of us we will settle for a NEC code compliant installation. Your call, do it any way you want. Just stay current with your house and life insurance!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
ZacsDad

10-20-2006 10:40:48




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to ross in ns, 10-19-2006 14:34:02  
I ran 100 amps to my shop last summer. Used 175" of #2 Copper. Ran 3 separate cables (each 175" long) plus a #4 ground. Put it into a 2" conduit. The run was a combination of above ground (nailed to the underside of my deck) and below ground (14"). This was all on the recommendation of a licensed master electrician. Used a Cutler Hammer box with commercial rated (switch capable) breakers. Haven"t had any issues with any of it. I have a full 100 amps available..... .The electrician said it would hold 125 amps.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
NEsota

10-20-2006 08:50:45




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to ross in ns, 10-19-2006 14:34:02  
If you do not have enough time or money to do it right, will you have enough to do it over?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
MarkB_MI

10-19-2006 17:16:25




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to ross in ns, 10-19-2006 14:34:02  
You really don't want any buried splices. That's just a recipe for aggravation. And 180 feet is a long distance.

Personally, I would run #2 aluminum USE (underground service equipment). It's relatively cheap and can handle 100 amps, although it's only good for about 50 amps over the distance you're looking at. Run 4 conductors: 2 hot, 1 neutral and 1 ground from your service disconnect to a panel in the garage. Ground rods at the garage; neutral and ground are isolated in the garage panel. End result is you will have 240 volt service in your garage good for 50 amps, enough to power a welder if everything else is turned off.

This project is going to be a lot of work. Do right and you'll only have to do it once.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
buickanddeere

10-19-2006 16:24:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to ross in ns, 10-19-2006 14:34:02  
Pull three insulated and uncut #2 copper from one service to another through a 3ft deep burried 4" drain tile. And a bare copper #6 in the bottom of the trench. Connect as normal at the distant shed but remove the bond screw from between the neutral bar and the ground bar. Drive two 10ft ground rods, 10 apart at the shed and connect along with the #6 bare. Shed service box rated for 60amp. The joined together mess will look and operate like some farmer fix cobbeled together in a hurry with whatever was laying around.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
upred

10-19-2006 18:00:06




Report to Moderator
 THINK SAFETY in reply to buickanddeere, 10-19-2006 16:24:27  
DO NOT put it in drain tile, what happens if someone after you no longer own the property, digs up and cuts into the drain tile thinking it is a "drain line"?? use the proper conduit or no conduit at all. Could be fata, that is why there are building codes. Needed to vent as I recently had a friend injured by some non-standard wiring



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
buickanddeere

10-20-2006 08:05:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: THINK SAFETY in reply to upred , 10-19-2006 18:00:06  
Around here we install direct buried TWU etc cable in drainage tire. We don't dig anywhere without a locate of the power,phone or gas.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jddriver

10-19-2006 17:47:56




Report to Moderator
 or maybe in reply to buickanddeere, 10-19-2006 16:24:27  
an enginer's wet dream.I find it amazing that you are so down on "farmer fixes" but the mods made by farmer continue to keep the engineers jumping to stay ahead.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
buickanddeere

10-20-2006 08:07:22




Report to Moderator
 Re: or maybe in reply to jddriver, 10-19-2006 17:47:56  
Underground splices with big marrettes and cable ranging from #8 down to 1/0 doesn't keep engineers jumping ahead. Except maybe to avoid the arc.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
dr.sportster

10-19-2006 15:18:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to ross in ns, 10-19-2006 14:34:02  
Your thinking of waterpipe.How many cubic inch boxes?Feeders from main panel like that normally dont stop at boxes but go directly to the building supplied.Each splice is a weak point in the system.Is this conglomeration invoving any buried pvc?Why dont you just scrap the copper and make a material list of what you really need?I dont mean to be negative by why waste time on some half baked installation when trenching is involved?You probably arent saving money on this idea.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Stan in Oly, WA

10-19-2006 14:52:04




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to ross in ns, 10-19-2006 14:34:02  
Hi Ross,

I'm not aware of any code provision that would prevent you from joining different size wires as long as some mechanical problem doesn't prevent it. (Which is not to say that there might not be some provision against it.) But connecting the #8 to the #4 is putting your conductors in the wrong order anyway. Start with your largest capacity conductor nearest the electrical source. Smaller gauge wire upstream from larger limits the carrying capacity of the whole run to what the capacity of the total length would be if it were all the smaller gauge wire.

Calculating the voltage drop for a 180' run using three sizes of wire will be more complicated, but I'd advise you to do it. Type "voltage drop" on Google and you'll get plenty of calculators. I've never checked to see if they handle this situation.

All the best, Stan

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
MarkB_MI

10-19-2006 16:44:36




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-19-2006 14:52:04  
Stan,

The current doesn't care whether you put the #4 wire ahead of the #8 or behind it. The same current is traveling through the whole length of the conductor. You'll get X volts drop across the #4 section and Y volts across the #8. Total voltage drop = X + Y. (or Y + X, for that matter).



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bob Reeves

10-19-2006 14:49:32




Report to Moderator
 Re: power to garage in reply to ross in ns, 10-19-2006 14:34:02  
Without knowing what you are going to be running in your garage it's going to be hard to make any sugestions. #8 at that distance is too small for anything but lights..



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy