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GregCO

10-18-2006 14:39:03




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I have a quick question for you guys. Getting ready to replace the front brake system on my 96 C3500. I have a choice on pads. I can use semi metallic or ceramic base pad. What do you think?
Also do the braded break lines help with keeping the petal a little firmer?

Thanks,

Greg




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GregCO

10-19-2006 08:33:38




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 Re: OT Pickup Brakes in reply to GregCO, 10-18-2006 14:39:03  
Thanks guys. Sounds like the ceramic pads are the way to go. This truck works hard and seldom goes anywhere without a trailer hooked to it or pallets of something in the back.

The soft pedal I was referring to has been kind of the nature of the beast from the time the truck was new. Keeping after the rear breaks does help a bunch and normally I adjust them every oil change. I guess I seldom get the truck going fast enough or push hard enough on the brake pedal while backing up to get the self adjusters to do their job so manually adjusting the rear brakes has become part of the process while changing oil. Somewhere I remember reading that the rubber brake lines on these things give allot and people have been happier with the steel braded lines in reducing the give in the system. Might be a mental thing too (nice shiny braded lines vs black rubber).

Thanks for the input.

Greg

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Ron in Nebr

10-19-2006 18:16:58




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 Re: OT Pickup Brakes in reply to GregCO, 10-19-2006 08:33:38  
Greg, for what it's worth, I have a '98 3500 and it's always had a pretty "spongy" brake pedal too, compared to other vehicles.

A couple extra thoughts- if your front brake rotors are warped they'll push the pads in a little as they rotate resulting in more pedal travel when you step on it.

Same goes for loose front wheel bearings.

Mine's a dually and I've had lots of problems with the front wheel bearings on it due probably to the extra strain caused by the "spacer" that duallys of these models run on the fronts. I'll never buy another GM dually from that era.

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GregCO

10-20-2006 07:58:57




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 Re: OT Pickup Brakes in reply to Ron in Nebr, 10-19-2006 18:16:58  
Ron, same truck here too. The one I have doesn�t have the spacer you mention that I am aware of. This truck has 100K on it and is still on the original front wheel bearings (knock on wood). The front rotors on this thing have been a problem front the time it was new. I have had them turned three times and they do not stay true for very long before you can feel the warp begin to come back. This time rotors, calipers, bearings, and pads will all be replaced. Hopefully this will take care of the warped rotor thing for a while as I think I have had a caliper that has been hanging up for some time causing most of the problem.

Thanks for the input,

Greg

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Ron in Nebr

10-20-2006 20:31:12




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 Re: OT Pickup Brakes in reply to GregCO, 10-20-2006 07:58:57  
Greg, Mines a 4x4. If I remember right you said yours is a c3500 or a 2 wheel drive. I think the spacer is only used on the 4x4 versions. The 4x4's have a sealed bearing that holds the hub, no spindle, where I think the 2wd have the older(and better) style of packable wheel bearings on a spindle.

Anyway, hopefully when ya get those parts replaced the problem will be gone. Good luck!



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Ron in Nebr

10-18-2006 22:03:12




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 Re: OT Pickup Brakes in reply to GregCO, 10-18-2006 14:39:03  
I don't think there'd be enough difference that you would ever feel it between braided lines and the factory hoses PROVIDED the factory hoses are in good condition. A '96 shouldn't be old enough to have bad hoses yet, probably something else making your pedal soft, but a good visual examination of your hoses is a good idea anyway. If they look swelled or deteriorated, or just plain if you have any doubt, go ahead and replace 'em. Cheap peace of mind.

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Maark

10-18-2006 16:06:07




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 Re: OT Pickup Brakes in reply to GregCO, 10-18-2006 14:39:03  
Go and get some WAGNER THERMO-QUIET. You can't go wrong on them. A soft or squishy pedal is either air in the system or master-cylinder going bad.



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504-1

10-18-2006 18:48:54




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 Re: OT Pickup Brakes in reply to Maark, 10-18-2006 16:06:07  
Greg,There is one very common cause of the soft pedal on GM trucks,make sure the rear brakes are adjusted right and make sure that the parking brake is completly released(with the brake drums off you should be able to move the parking brake bars side to side with your thumbs with out moving the shoes).If the bars do not move then the parking brake cables are probley draging and need to be replaced.One more thing make sure to open the bleaders on the calpers when pushing the pistons back,one speck of dirt or rust in the anti lock system and it would be cheaper to buy a differant truck. Ceramic pads if you tow a lot.

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