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boda

10-10-2006 17:14:17




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I hope you can answer this. Not exactly a tractor tool, but this is tool talk, and YT is one of the few sites I visit. I am thinking of buying an air nailer. I see that there seems to be three basic types of nail collation. Wire weld, which has clipped head nails. Paper tape, which can be clipped head or full round. And plastic collated, which is full round. Is one any better than the rest? Is one more common than the others? I will be buying a quality tool that will not see a lot of use. I don't want to end up 5 years later with an oddball that I can't get nails for. Any input is welcome and appreciated.
Jim

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Slowpoke

10-28-2006 23:56:08




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
Comparing framing stick nailers to framing coil nailers, I find the stick type will take a wider range of nail lengths.
I recently bought a factory reconditioned Bostich FP33 stick nailer on ebay. It looks and works like new. At HD I got a box of Senco 2-3/8" ringshank plastic collated nails (made in China)for nailing 1/2" OSB to studs. Since I did the OSB wall on the ground, scraping my shoe on the nail line removed most of the plastic bits from around the nail heads. But when nailing 1/2" plywood to vertical studs, the bits don't seem to want to come off easily. If the work will be visable, it doesn't look good with those yellow bits stuck there. Just my opinion. Otherwise the nailer is fast and easy to use.

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Joe MD

10-13-2006 09:22:29




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
There is a new type that has full head, but the head is slighlty offset on the nail. Allows for more nails per and meets code in more places.



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Yooper

10-12-2006 16:33:19




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
I"ve always found the wire feeders seem to set better. I think the wire adds some grip to the nail. Sure seems that way when your trying to pull em. Esp in roofing guns.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

10-11-2006 17:10:55




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
I bought my first framing nailer a month ago at Princess Auto in a kit with a palm nailer and an 18 gauge brad nailer. PA stock 3 1/4" nails for it (22 degree wire frames). I've used half a box of nails so far and I love the gun. Since buying it I've only used a handfull of five and six inch screws.

Yesterday I tried the palm nailer for the first time on some five inch nails. In they went, with amazingly little fuss. It's a pretty good tool, regardless of its small size.

The price on this kit was a factor: $144 CDN.

Over the winter I put a couple of boxes of nails through another PA 18 gauge nailer. It isn't a very good machine. I much prefer the 16 gauge Bynford I bought on eBay for about $160. It shoots 2 1/2" nails very reliably. I've put three or more boxes through it.

I hope this helps.

Rod

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RegoR

10-11-2006 05:51:37




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
I've got a Senco and Bostitch assortment, some over twenty years old and still working after a rebuild kit or two over the years. Sent a Bostitch framing nailer back to the factory for reconditioning once. It looked and worked like new and for a resonable cost. Some ten or so years ago, California building code disallowed clipped-head nails (as well as staples for sheathing) and Bostitch had a trade in program that was hard to pass up. I like my newer framing gun well enough. Sencos are generally better built and work more smoothly (IMO) and require no oil.
The full-round head is a siesmic requirement in Californa, but may also be spec'd in high wind areas.
I've used a Hitachi framer and found it to be a good, solid tool and it might of had a tad more punch than the Bostitch.
You might try searching the archives, too.
Wear eye protection.

Roger

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paul

10-10-2006 20:53:16




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
Wire type leave little bits of wire at times.

Plastic type leave lots of bits of platic around, kinda messy I'm told.

Paper tape are a little cleaner/ less bits flying about.

Seems every location has their own 'favorite' type. If you are in small town area, check the lumber yards & buy the type they stock nails for!

I got a Bostitch F33PT paper tape unit this spring. This is a new model, it isn't even cross-referenced by most suppliers yet. Used clipped & full head nails in it, 4 different brands - Bostitch, Senco, Paslode, & some no-name brand - think it missed 2-3 nails all summer. Rehabbed a barn, everything from 2-3.5 inch nails, old hard wood, 3/4" subfloor, etc. Works real well. It also does metal connector nails - nail down those metal end pieces with 1.5 or 2" nails. Seems very versatle by shooting clipped head, full head, and connector nails, and the paper worked real well & safe for me. I'm hasppy - tho it's the only nail gun I"ve ever used.

Lot of folks like the Paslode Impulse, which uses little gas canisters instead of an air compressors to run. If you don't have a compressor to lug along, good way to go from what I hear.

Locally a lot of the contractors must have in-line & some coil wire weld nailers by Bostitch. But a lot of Paslode paper tape nailers are around too. I was releived to see my nailer was not fussy as to brand of nail.

Clipped head are not to code in earthquake & hurricane zones (specifically West Coast & Florida) according to a web site I read last nite.

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Grub

10-10-2006 20:16:13




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
I own a Senco SN60 full head nailer. Don't know about other parts of the country but in western Oregon we can't use clip head nails. We had an earthquake once and the building codes were revised right then.
I bought my nailer from the rental yard when they replaced their old stock. Paid 125.00 for it, shoots a 3.5" nail if need be and I wear it before it does.
I believe I will always be able to find Senco products. Right now I buy my nails at Home Depot.

Grub

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NE IA Dave

10-10-2006 18:44:23




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
I'm always unsure if it is my place to repeat something that is a so called fact in someones mind. This being said, I have been told by a contractor friend that clip headed nails are not allowed in some building codes. This I have never seen in bold print however. I have some of each and probably prefer the round headed over all, and probably on OSB board it should be preferable. By no means a fact, just my opinion. NE IA Dave

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Ryan - WI

10-10-2006 18:39:18




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
If you are going to be using it to nail down roof sheathing I would not suggest the plastic collated nailers. Those little bits of plastic make perfect ball bearings on a slanted roof. Guess how I know...



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mud -be careful

10-10-2006 18:46:44




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to Ryan - WI, 10-10-2006 18:39:18  
Shootin down roof sheathing with a framing nailer?
Easy to get near 'blow through' when foolin with CDX and OSB. I use an old Senco 2 1/2 inch stapler and have never had a problem with any of the roofs I've sheeted in. As for a framing gun, well, I've found the Hitachi hard as the devil to beat for cost & reliability. I got one that is 20 years old and it bangs a nail like when it was new. The kits are easy to install, but you dont need many...

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evielboweviel

10-10-2006 17:42:46




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
I prefer the coil nailers over stick. seems like one style nail fits all.
thay are round head welded wire nails
ron



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jmixigo

10-10-2006 17:33:39




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 Re: Air Framing Nailers in reply to boda, 10-10-2006 17:14:17  
If you live where it's really humid(I do) an don't use it all the time (I don't) then don't get a paper collated nail. After layin on a slelf fer a while the paper gives problems.
If I was buying a new un I'd go for the full round head as it seems to be the "future" of framing nailers. Pick the place you gone buy the NAILS at (not a big box store cause YORE nails may be a "discontinued item" by next week) an jus let em sell you one.

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