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Gas powered 2 water pump.

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regalbe

10-08-2006 14:51:59




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Has anyone had any experience with Harbor Freight 2'', 145 GPM, CLEAR WATER PUMP WITH 5.5 HP GAS ENGINE. Good or Bad.? I have a water well with no electric. Water is about 15' down. Think this thing would work for a stock tank from time to time. Like if I needed to keep up a sick cow.




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regalbe

10-09-2006 18:33:20




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 Re: Gas powered 2 water pump. in reply to regalbe, 10-08-2006 14:51:59  
Thanks for your input gentlemen. I think I�ll get some kind of gas powered water pump. If it will not work on the water well, I have a pond about the same distance from the pens on the other side. It has to rain here some day.



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jdemaris

10-09-2006 05:34:33




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 Re: Gas powered 2 water pump. in reply to regalbe, 10-08-2006 14:51:59  
I don't think a 2" pump is what you want. They are awful to get primed at 10 feet or more - and - is your well going to keep up with over a 100 gallon per minute demand? If not, it will quickly lose its prime after pumping a few gallons. It will want to pump over two gallons per second. I've got a dozen gas-engine water pumps of various sizes - e.g. a few Homelites with 3.5 horse Briggs engine - 2", a 5.5 horse Chinese brand pump- 2", several 2 horse/two-stroke Italian-made pumps 1.5", several Tanaka pumps (Japanese) - 1.5", and a couple of small Homelite two-stroke "water bug" pumps - 1". I use them mostly for pump maple-sap during the spring syrup season - from 300 gallon tanks onto a gathering tank on my truck. Generally speaking - the bigger pumps are awful when pumping from more than 10 feet down. Getting them primed is the problem and they all have the same basic design - centrifugal wheel and a rubber-flapper valve that is supposed to help priming. In my situation, I've got quick-coupler disconnects - and on the suction end I have a foot-valve. But - regardless of all that - priming is always difficult - and it's the worse with the bigger 2" pumps. Also, keep in mind - that once you DO get it primed - it might pump much more water than your well can supply for more than a few seconds - and it will then - lose its prime. I've found that the handiest pump I've ever used is the little Homelite "Waterbug" 1" pump. I'm not sure it's still made but I see them for sale on Ebay sometimes - often $80 new-old-stock. First one I bought I figured it was a cheap piece of junk. But that was over 10 years ago - and I've got several. They always start, easiest to prime of any pump I have, and are lightweight. It comes standard with a 3/4" garden-hose outlet connector - but it can be changed to anything you want. I also suppose there are many other 1" pumps for sale - perhaps better quality. You need to size your pump so it will NOT pump more water than your well. These types of pumps are made to run at full capacity - retricting the outlet to cut down flow creates back-pressure and they are not made for that.

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Pooh Bear

10-08-2006 19:15:21




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 Re: Gas powered 2 water pump. in reply to regalbe, 10-08-2006 14:51:59  
I have one of their 1 inch electric clear water pumps.
It is rated as 1/2 HP but that figure is misleading.
They rated based on input power of about 375 watts.
The output is no where near that. When it is running the motor gets VERY hot.
It has absolutely no suction for priming.
Had to nearly submerge it to get it to start pumping.

I'm rigging up a setup to let me run the pump off
the tractor PTO at idle speed. 200 PTO rpm thru a
1:14 step up transmission of belts and pulleys.
Removed the cover and cooling fan from the back of
the motor and added a lovejoy coupling.
Gonna take a 30 gallon barrel and turn it on its
side and connect the pump input to the bottom hole
and run a suction line from the top hole to the river.
Fill the barrel with water to prime the pump.
As the pump pulls water out of the barrel it will
create a vacuum at the top sucking water up from
the river. Water will flow into the barrel and
then be pumped back out and up to the house.
I'll get pictures when I finish setting it up.

Pooh Bear

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David - OR

10-08-2006 17:14:51




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 Re: Gas powered 2 water pump. in reply to regalbe, 10-08-2006 14:51:59  
As with most Chinese components, it isn't easy to find complete specs for this thing online. The Harbor Freight catalog uses terminology that is both inadequate and non-standard.

Looking at the picture, it appears to be a centrifugal pump. You will need a foot valve and some means to prime the pump and suction line with water, as a centrifugal pump is not self priming. Be careful not to put excessive bends in the suction line; it looks like you are proposing a 15 foot suction head, which is near the limit for typical centrifugal pumps at a decent flow rate.

The specs for "26 foot lift" suggests the pump can handle a 26 foot suction head, but at what water flow? Given the theoretical limit of 33 feet, that 26 feet seems awafully optimistic. But you only need 15 feet and it can probably manage that.

There's not much to a centrifugal pump -- just an impeller, a housing, a bearing, and a seal or two. It works just like a car or tractor water pump. If the Chinese didn't cheap out too badly on the materials or fit/finish it should work fine for your application. Don't expect both 145 GPM AND 86 feet total head simultaneously -- as with all centrifugal pumps/fans, these things follow a pump curve and flow will drop as pressure increases.

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