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HELP on oxy-acet tanks.

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Nick

03-24-2001 16:57:39




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why is it that you cant get tanks filled if you own them? Ive tried every place within a 50 mile radius and you have to rent the tanks before they will fill them. If you cant get boghten tanks filled, Why do they sell the dumb things in harbor freight? Nick in WV




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GPWT

03-26-2001 09:24:35




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 Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to Nick , 03-24-2001 16:57:39  
Your best bet is to find a distributor that sells (not rents) tanks, one that is convenient, and buy the tanks from them. Then you can have them filled on an exchange basis. Welding distributors often refuse to fill tanks from a 3rd party because they are not assured that the cylinders have been properly hydrotested.



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Bernie

03-25-2001 20:50:15




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 Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to Nick , 03-24-2001 16:57:39  
If you cant get boghten tanks filled, Why do they sell the dumb things in harbor freight? Nick in WV

Sounds like a good question for Harbor Freight! If I were you I'd be taking names, and send letters to the top of the Chain of Command. Also see my reply to *MarkB* below. Should be no reason why you can't get "certified" tanks filled! Just start off in a smooth, gentlemanly way with a Business-like manner and let them know that you feel a principle is at stake and will take it as high up the ladder as they make you go! Bosses don't like Bull Dogs, they'd rather feed em than get bit by them!
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Bernie

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Nick

03-25-2001 12:17:18




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 Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to Nick , 03-24-2001 16:57:39  
This helps alittle. But I would rather use a hack saw 24/7 than have to pay rent on tanks. I dont use them often but when i do its big scale building. Tractor loaders, carry alls, etc. The way I figure it. Every year or so of renting a tank will buy you one. but then we start all over again.



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VaTom

03-25-2001 13:59:56




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 Re: Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to Nick, 03-25-2001 12:17:18  
My feelings exactly. I found that I could buy and get filled smaller sized tanks. Why I couldn't buy the larger tanks was never explained. Presumably has to do with the profitability of leasing. The program is set up so the occasional user has large tank costs. Almost to the point of rental looking attractive.

I bought the biggest tanks I could from a local gas co. Refill isn't a problem that way. As I'm still on the originals, I don't know if I can get a swap (I think) or have to wait a couple of days to get the same tanks back. The way the system is set up, the only thing that would really make sense would be for a small group to share a lease. That comes with availability problems, of course.

Over the course of a few years I've come into quite a few tanks from various sources. If I can find a disgruntled leaser, I'll get a refill that way. Not legitimate, but with the gas companies acting the way they do, they ought to expect it. Little oxygen tanks are a pain.

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John, Ne.

03-25-2001 09:33:05




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 Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to Nick , 03-24-2001 16:57:39  
Nick, what I've done for years is exchange my empties for full ones at the local welding shop, they know me and know I only have a small farm shop. Never a hassle, and they always have several sizes of filled cylinders they will trade me for mine. May not be kosher in all states, and the stampings on my original cylinders are the same as on his. John



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Ray,IN

03-24-2001 19:14:05




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 Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to Nick , 03-24-2001 16:57:39  
There is a untruth perpetuated by the people who fill tanks. Look it up yourself on the EPA site. They cannot refuse to fill a properly certified tank just because you own it. All you must do is produce ownership papers. Consult the compressed gas association in your state, they will probably know also. I downloaded the section on this but can't find it right now. I showed the copy to a AGA dealer and he reluctantly said it was correct. I used to carry it, but stopped when I quit using my gas welder often.

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I found It! Ray,IN

03-24-2001 20:51:31




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 Re: Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to Ray,IN, 03-24-2001 19:14:05  
I erred,it is not EPA,rather OSHA. Reproduced at: Compressed Gas Association technical bulletin, TB-8-1992, paragraph 3 This may be found at:http://cganet.com/Pubs/Free/tb-8.html I will not try to recite it all here, but CGA grants permission to reprint technical bulletins.



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MarkB

03-25-2001 04:51:05




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to I found It! Ray,IN, 03-24-2001 20:51:31  
It looks like they moved the document since you found it. The new location is at the link below.

Sorry, but I couldn't find anything that says a gas dealer MUST fill your tanks. TB-8 says that they CANNOT fill tanks without the owner's consent. I take that to mean that if you took an NCG-owned tank to AGA, AGA can't fill it without NCG's permission, which you ain't likely to get.

I'd have to side with the gas dealers on this one. Why should they have to fill tanks you bought elsewhere? It seems to me that it is their perogative to refuse to fill tanks purchased from a competitor.

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Bernie

03-25-2001 20:29:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to MarkB, 03-25-2001 04:51:05  
At the site you linked, the TB-8 item # 3 simply calls for a signed statement by owner. The way I read the original post by *NICK* is, that he is the owner of the tank/s. Perhaps, he should send a letter to the gas company president/mgr in his baliwick setting forth his experience with not getting tanks filled, include a copy of the TB-8, the required "signed" ownership statement(with paid invoice if he still has it). Follow up with a phone call to get an appointment to discuss the issues raised in the letter. I'll bet he gets his tanks filled. If not, I'd follow-up with a letter to the "BBB" laying out how I was treated at so & so's and ask for the procedure to file a formal complaint--cc a copy of the letter to the local Gas supplier and the parent company. That might start a fire under their butts.

When I moved to a new town with my old tanks, I called up the local supplier and asked if they would have a problem filling my tanks that I had just bought and they told me to bring them in. once there they asked if an exchange was ok, I said sure! At the same time I bought a couple of tips & some electrodes just to cement the deal.

Seems to me that most suppliers want to do business if you approach in a business like manner. I'd guess that there's a lot of "tank theft" and they are somewhat reticent to just fill up tanks of folks they don't know? I think however that they would love to get a fat rental fee if they can.

With regard to the gas company requiring buyers to have only their tanks. That pratice is probably actionable under various federal codes(UCC) and state statutes dealing with monopolistic business practices. Not unlike Microsofts tactics to use it's market position to eliminate competition. Let's dance said the elephant to the chickens!

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Bernie

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Rock IN

03-29-2001 20:17:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to Bernie, 03-25-2001 20:29:01  
I had a couple dealers act the same way. No lease, no gas! They told me "Everybody does it this way." Then I found BOC gases, they have been great! Will exchange any good tank & I have purchased a good amount from them because thay have been so great! Call around, ya never know.

Rock



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F14

03-24-2001 17:52:36




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 Re: HELP on oxy-acet tanks. in reply to Nick , 03-24-2001 16:57:39  
Has to do with liability. Tanks have to be certified and hydrostatically tested regularly (every 5 years, I think). Same in Maine, most companies won't fill a tank they don't own.



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