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JD Ogden

09-27-2006 18:35:46




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I have a bridge crane to put in my shop. I have the tracks and the post what I lack is the cross beam. I have some 12 inch H-beam, the stuctral kind. I don't know if this is heavy enough for the span I need to cover, the span is 28 feet any input is apriciated thanks JD




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JD OGDEN

09-28-2006 18:05:06




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 Re: bridge crane help in reply to JD Ogden, 09-27-2006 18:35:46  
Thanks for all the replys, the big problem I see is that the beam is just setting on rollers on the ends so there is no support from the ends. I intend to split tractors put in motors and things of that nature Thanks Again.



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huntingreen

09-28-2006 10:14:42




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 Re: bridge crane help in reply to JD Ogden, 09-27-2006 18:35:46  
You need to size your beam based on the max load you intend to be lifting. Once you do that do not exceed that load. It probably has to be sized at least 2 times what your max intended lift is.



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David - OR

09-28-2006 05:50:39




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 Re: bridge crane help in reply to JD Ogden, 09-27-2006 18:35:46  
The section properties of wide flange beams can be found here:

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If we limit the deflection under load to L/240 the steel stress should be OK.

So for a 28 foot span the allowable center deflection is 1.4 inches.

Using the beam bending equation:

Deflection = W L^3 / (48*E*I)

For steel use E = 300000 0

L = 28 * 12 or 336 inches Solve for W

W = 1.4 * 48 * 300000 0 * I / 336 ^ 3

W = 53.1 * I

Looking up Ixx in the table,

We find a W12x14 beam has an Ixx of 88.6
and could support 4705 pounds at the mid point. This is the TOTAL, so subtract out the dead weight of the trolley for useable capacity

A W12x22 beam has an Ixx of 156
and could support 8291 pounds at the mid point

(You can look up the others on your own. Measure the thickness and width of the flanges to figure out what size beam you have).

Very important:
The classic beam bending equation ignores the possibility of compression flange buckling. This is when the beam twists or rotates out of plane under load. In structures this is usually addressed by laterally supporting the compression flange, typically because it is built into a floor. This bracing holds the beam in one vertical plane and enables it to develop its full load capacity. A beam which is NOT laterally supported on the compression flange (the top flange in your case) supports far less total load before compression flange or lateral/torsional buckling limits it. So don't use the method above if you can't laterally brace the beam at (say) the 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4 points.

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Richard Fazio

09-28-2006 12:14:09




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 Re: bridge crane help in reply to David - OR, 09-28-2006 05:50:39  
David, I read your post with interest. I'm trying to figure a beam size also. It's for a building roof with the only load being the snow load of 40 lbs per sqft. How is that done since it spread out over the entire length. Say I have a 45' span with 7.5 ft between beams, 337.5 sqft X 40 lbs=13500lbs total, plus the building steel itself which I think is minor. The formula must be different if the load is spread out along it's length right? I was hoping I could use bar joists.

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David - OR

09-28-2006 17:51:47




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 Re: bridge crane help in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-28-2006 12:14:09  
45 feet is a long span for a bar joist, or almost any shallow depth beam.

To design bar joists, you first get the load per lineal foot. For a 40psf load and a 7.5 foot tributary width, you have 40*7.5 or 300 pounds live load per lineal foot. Allowing for a 10psf dead load (assuming this is a roof), we get 375 pounds per lineal foot total load.

To choose a joist, you look it up in a manufacturer provided table. The most common bar joist is a "K series".

You can find a table here:

Link

For the stated conditions, a 26K12 appears to be the smallest joist that would meet live plus dead criteria (this is the relaxed L/240 live load for a roof; it is too bouncy for a floor). At 26 inches tall, you may object to the depth, but this is to be expected for such a long span. At 16 pounds per foot, this should be reasonably economical -- maybe $32 per foot or $1440 per joist.

The seller of these joists should double check the specifications and size the joists for free -- don't take my word for any of this. But this ought to help you see if you are in the ballpark.

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Richard Fazio

09-28-2006 18:18:51




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 Re: bridge crane help in reply to David - OR, 09-28-2006 17:51:47  
Dave, thanks for all the info. I knew the joists were going to be big. One thing, the roof is going to be just 2X4's laid out to support thin steel sheeting. That may lower the roof dead load a bit. My buddies roof at 40' uses 20" bar joists. These buildings are hangers for planes and they use flat slightly pitched roofs of the same thin steel we use on the sides. Thanks again.



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old

09-27-2006 20:01:20




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 Re: bridge crane help in reply to JD Ogden, 09-27-2006 18:35:46  
I use a mobile home frame H or I beam in my shop for my chain hoist. I have never had any problems with it and it will lift a 1/2 ton pickup to the point you can change all 4 tires by picking it up with the back bumper on the ground. The span is some place around 20 feet



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Coloken

09-27-2006 18:57:09




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 Re: bridge crane help in reply to JD Ogden, 09-27-2006 18:35:46  
I can't but I bet there are paople here who can. 28 foot span, 12 inch beam. How wide and what is the thickness of the steel. You need to know the max weight in the middle.



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