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Willie

03-22-2001 15:04:56




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You have no idea as to how much I have learned on this site. I'm about to retire and the little woman and I are starting to put things in order to build a house. Not a big house approx. 1300 sq. ft. I've never built a house or had one built. We plain to get a contractor. Having heard tons of bad stories about what can happen, I have been looking for a discussion site like this for do and don't. Any ideas? Thanks for any help.

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chief613

03-25-2001 04:41:44




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
here is a few suggestion:
-find ur site first, build the house to the site, not vise versa. Earth and earth movin equipment is expensive

-Get so profesianal prints, a good builder will draw them for free if u hire them to do the house. Most will sit down with u first and rough sketch and give a ball park figure, if u come back inteested they then will discuss plans

- Go to several contractors, and let them know u are. and dont jump on the cheapest. Contractors arent out there just for the fun of it, they're there to make money. If its real cheap, u may be gettin what u pay for. A bigger company may be more expensive, but may have more the propper tools and work force to build quality and effeciantly

- Make sure ur comparing apples to oranges ..diffeent materials can make a huge cost difference

- double check what the general has lined up for subs, and sit down with the subs to discuss what u want, the plumber knows more bout what u need for heatin/.coolin plumbin than the builder does

-and most of all take ur time in the planning stage, changes on paper are alot cheaper than in the feild

good luck

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kimk

03-24-2001 11:31:26




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
Built my own 15 yrs back, so I know a bit about where you are at. Best advice I can give you, like financial investments, invest your time before you invest your money. Consider super insulated, seemless vapor barrier, quality (tight ) windows. Whether you are heating or cooling insulation and tightness are the most cost effective things you can do. Don't listen to folks who will tell you horror stories about houses that are too tight. Intelegent use of windows and skylight vents can provide what is needed, without excessive heat loss. Also consider simple passive solar "tricks" such as intelegent window location, and house orientation, roof overhangs "tuned" to your lattitude, "mud room" entry ways that serve as an air lock and reduce heat loss. I probably sound a bit nuts about energy efficiency -- well I guess I am. But I heat my 1300 sq. ft. house in Vt. with only 4 to 5 cord of wood each year- no Lp or oil etc. A few trips to the local libraries will probably provide you w/ tons of books on super insulated and passive solar houses. Some will be useless but those who have done the math and can show the numbers will probably send you straight.Also you will never have enough electrical outlets no matter how many you install

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VaTom

03-24-2001 12:35:26




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 Re: Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to kimk, 03-24-2001 11:31:26  
KimK's doing well but we have twice the house in a climate with half the degree days and heat with one quarter the wood. I also installed outlets 30" off the floor every 4'. We DO have enough outlets. My wife loves 'em. I'm getting a good following here based on my example of cast-in-place concrete underground. Won't burn, bugs won't eat it, costs next to nothing to operate, and is cheaper than a stick built to build, as long as you watch your formwork costs.

Using concrete is only a problem if you don't plan it right. Remodelling gets more than a little difficult. But with only the shell concrete, you're free to move the interior walls wherever you want. Material cost for a 1600' shell, including roof and floor, comes in at $16,000. And we're talking some serious steel to hold up that 30' free span roof covered with 2' of dirt. Think walk-out basement without the house over it, 350 sq. ft. of glass and a ventilation system. It works.

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Greg S

03-23-2001 08:37:25




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
Back in the late 70's,early 80's the USDA Forest Service put out some bulletins on truss framed housing. Basically the truss formed the floor walls and roof framing and then the trusses were set up on 24" centers to form the shell of the house. The example in the bulletin did a 1250 sq ft house completely erected and sheeted in about 6 hours. Certainly worth looking into. I don't have any bulletin numbers but the one I've got was published by the USDA, Forest Service, Forest Products Laboratory. HTH

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Dave M

03-23-2001 05:42:46




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
My advice is don't be in too much of a hurry. Find the right lot. Choose the right plan. Find the right architect. Pick the best general contractor you can find. Check the references.

We spent 2 years looking for the right lot. Looked at plan books and modified a plan with one of the home design software packages for over a year before finding the general contractor. He recommended a great architect to draw the actual plans. The kitchen, lighting, and flooring people our contractor suggested were very helpful. Our contractor and his son did all of the plumbing, electric and trim carpentry (it was winter so they weren't real busy at the time) and had their usual subs do everything else. We had no major glitches during construction, and have had very few problems since.

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Steve Hansen

03-23-2001 05:00:43




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
Just finished my own retirement house. I am no expert but I know a thing or two. Got a lot of help from the Fine Homebuilding (magazine) forum. Open the link below and click on "Breaktime". E-mail me if you think I can help.



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george s

03-23-2001 04:27:44




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
Good advice so far,you didn't mention what type of house,but being a retirement home,make sure it's one story,one level,and have all doors,room entrances,hallways,etc.,3' wide.(Maybe that's code anyway.)No offense,but while you may be in great shape now,you don't know what lies in your future,and major alterations in the future will be expensive.I've seen it first hand to people who thought they would last forever.Sorry to be so blunt, Hope this didn't offend anyone.

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walt

03-22-2001 20:12:50




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
Built numerous, and my final now.. Talk to your electric company about energy efficient homes. They will guarenttee the cost of electric for number of yrs if built energy efficient.. Go with energy efficient windows, you wont regret it. If possible, 6" exterior walls, consider all brick(less maintenance). Geothermal(heating/air), look into it. Cost up front more, but pays off if this is your retire home. Talk to several mortage companies, about reputable contractors, they know the reliable ones. Go 15yr fixed rate mortage. Could fill a whole page, but hope this helps.

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tools

03-23-2001 11:04:12




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 Re: Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to walt, 03-22-2001 20:12:50  
Hey Walt,

Here's one thing to consider about the 15 vs 30 yr loans. As long as their isn't a prepay penalty, if you make 13 payments/yr on a 30 yr loan (one extra payment a year which pays down principle), you'll pay the loan off in 19 years and save tons. The fact that you don't have to make that 13th payment and that the payments are substantially lower gives you some financial flexibility if you need it. Downside, takes LOTS of discipline!

Tools

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walt

03-23-2001 19:59:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to tools, 03-23-2001 11:04:12  
Your right tools, but the key word is "discipline"..With all the credit card debt, most folks will quit the extra payment.



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Tools...Very true!

03-24-2001 07:16:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to walt, 03-23-2001 19:59:59  
...and I'm no exception!



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walt

03-24-2001 20:16:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Tools...Very true! , 03-24-2001 07:16:07  
Dave Ramsey has the best advice on getting rid of credit card debt.. Calls its snowballing the debt away..Has a radio talk show and web site.



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tools

03-22-2001 18:19:30




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
Good luck with the house. Although I've never built a house myself, I've scoped out dozens of "dream homes" and bought several of them. By that I mean custom houses built by people who planned to never sell them, rarely happens that way. Here's my two simple and practical bits of wisdom.

1. Find plans you like, go see a house built from those plans. Then, DONT CHANGE ANYTHING. Even small changes can lead to nightmares (cost overruns and such), or make the thing completely unattractive to a prospective buyer.

2. Don't get to retentive about it, but consider its sellability when you're choosing all the fixtures, floorcoverings, trim and such. Pick stuff you can afford, and stay with your plan as much as possible.

My friends who are contractors pick a plan, build it, outfit it with appropriate fixtures and live in complete houses within six months of commencement. They're wonderful. Have fun and get busy with your research, you can't know too much before you start.

Tools

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Tom

03-22-2001 18:05:19




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
Keep the design simple, a rectangle, nothing fancy, use a lot of insulation, at least twice as much in the walls and ceiling as the usual in the area, it will pay you back in heating and cooling comfort and economy. Keep all wood 18 inches off the ground. Have lagre overhangs all around the roof, at least 2 feet. Keeps weather and sun off the house. Winter sun willbe below the roof line anyway. Try to have no plumbing in exterior walls where it can freeze and hard to access for repairrs and provide access to interior walls for plumbing repairs. E mail me if you want.

Tom

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ltf in nc

03-22-2001 16:02:06




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
If you would like to talk one on one post your e mail address. I am experienced in this task.



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Tom R

03-22-2001 15:58:21




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 Re: Off Subject (House) in reply to Willie, 03-22-2001 15:04:56  
Willie:

If you run a search you can find many sites.

Here are a couple to get you started

I will link one and the other is http://www.B4Ubuild.com this one will give you additional links.

Hope should give you a place to start. Tom R.



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