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John in MA

03-21-2001 18:53:02




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OK, here's something I've been curious about for a while. How do we get most of our tools? Some guys go to surplus auctions, some guys buy only brand new red, blue, and yellow equipment, and some guys are cheap bastards like me. I buy my hardware at yard sales ($10 Stihl chainsaws, $15 Rockwell contractor table saw), dig for it at dumps (more table saws, circular saws, drills, sanders, and God knows what else), and lately have been hitting eBay with the "Buy Now" feature. Managed to bag a Bosch 12V cordless drill for $5. I don't think I own a power or hand tool that was bought new since 1985. I even built my own air compressor from parts scrounged over a five year period.

So, how do YOU collect your toys, uh, tools.

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Taylor Lambert

03-24-2001 16:45:36




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
I inherit,rebuild,road find, traded for since i was 14. I inherited my granddads logan lathe some hand tools. Dad rns a landfill for a Mobile home manufacturer that through away all tools not repairable in 20 minutes. Got my 30inch by 6 foot lathe cheap as it was too bigf for the previous owner. Bought welder and torches new. Built abunch of specialty tools in trade school/ and junkyards. Also came acroos some good ones in a 300 feet deep abaoned flooded quarry here that had a pump barge sink. Got my power hacksaw from the dump. 5 combines from folks who got tired of staring at them. All sorts of ways to save money.

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RonMC

03-23-2001 23:49:31




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
This doesn't necessarily involve tools, but do any of you live in suburban areas that have a clean-up week where everyone can put out as much of your junk as you want ? I've seen some interesting things sitting out by the road and have actually had people waiting for me to bring out the next load with the tractor so they could have a good look first. Have had stuff traded - my junk for what they had on the truck that wasn't as good - barbecues, etc. It's an interesting week for people with something particular in mind - at least around here. It all gets taken away at weeks end, meanwhile a lot of metal and other stuff has been recycled.

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Stoney

03-23-2001 17:22:49




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
When my sisters gradiated high school, they got the family sedan, mom and pop would go buy a newer one. When I gradiated in 72 I thought I was going to get the family car. Wrong! My dad gave me his old tool set (he was just promoted to shop foreman at IH) and he said "here, go out and get a job and buy your own car." At the time I thought I got a raw deal, but those old tools ended up being one of the best gifts I ever got. After a couple years of O.J.T. I went into business and done well. I sold the business 2 years ago, now I get to stay home and work on my tractors and stuff. Thanks Pop!

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Paul again

03-23-2001 06:25:28




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
Another thought - When you walk into a hardware store or building center to buy a tool, even if you know you want it at the marked price - before you buy it, always quietly ask the tool department manager if he can sell it any cheaper. Our local True Value store almost always knocks $20 to $30 off any Milwaukee tool that I buy from them, and they were already competetively priced. If he can't knock any off, buy it anyhow - that's what you came for. He'll remember your courtesy and try to help you on the next one. If you have a buddy who's also wanting a new weld grinder or whatever, take him with you. You're certain to get a better deal if you're buying two at once. I often see people grab a new tool and run to the cash register without discussing the price with anyone. Maybe they don't have time to mess with saving a couple bucks. Time IS money, especially if you've got guys standing around staring at a broken tool.

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Bob M

03-22-2001 19:49:30




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
Good question - never really thought about it before! My collection came from all over:

First set of "keeper" tools (Craftsman 3/8" drive set and combo wrenches) were a Christmas gift from my parents when I was in high school. I still have 'em all and use 'em. More stuff (1/2" drive, 1/4" drive, metric sockets, extensions, etc) were purchased new as the need arose and/or funds permitted. A Craftsman 3/4" drive set and extra long MAC breaker bar was a gift from my wife several years ago. Deepwell sockets, impact wrench and sockets, pipe wrenches, striking tools, etc. came from garage sales and flea markets. More stuff was has been donated by friends and relatives cleaning out garages, basements, etc. A surprising accumulation of odds n' ends - single sockets, extensions, wrenches, screwdrivers, vice-grips, etc - have been found on the roadside while riding my bike or hiking along the railroad. A nice 18" Swedish adjustable wrench I kicked outta the snow while spring skiing some years ago.

Power hand tools - circular saw, cordless drill, hand grinder, etc - were purchased new as the need arose or when I had some extra $ (not very often!). A John Deere 18" chainsaw complete with the manual came off someone's junk pile on the side of the road on trash day. Problem turned out to be an improperly assembled bar and chain - saw now works beautifully. Several more chainsaws have been given to me in DOA or basket case condition by frustrated owners - I've brought 'em back to life and use 'em regularly.

The scrap hopper at work provided a lot of my electrical test gear: old but still working Simpson VOM, a VTVM, Amprobe and a "wiggy". My Fluke 87 DMM was purchased new however - and worth every penny. The scrap hopper also rendered an old but functional manual hydraulic hose crimping press with a full set of dies, several 400 watt metal-halide shop floods and numerous other slightly worn odds and ends such as drill bits, taps, hose fittings, welding cable, etc.

The big stuff: A 10" South Bend machinist's lathe, Buffalo drill press and a bunch of tooling came from a relative's barn - deal was you can have 'em if you can get 'em outta there. Broke the frame on my utility trailer hauling the stuff home, but it was worth it! . My first air compressor I built out of a bus air brake pump and an old propane cylinder. It's successor was purchased new from Sears 25 years ago - both are still running strong. An uncle gave me an ancient 3 wheel bandsaw he no longer needed after he bought a new Rockwell 2-wheeler. My table saw was my dad's back in the 50's - given to him used by someone else.

The list goes on. Kinda neat reflecting on how this stuff all wound up in my garage and basement...

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03-22-2001 18:47:04




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
First, you all may or may not believe it but "tools" was my official Navy callsign when I was a Navy pilot. I got that because of my collection of tools.

Although I've gotten just about every class of tool (stationary, portable power, hand) from every source (yep, got three tablesaws GIVEN to me in less than one year), here's my philosophy.

Buy all stationary power tools larger than necessary and when they're available used (not necessarily what you may want NOW). Aerospace industry auctions are great (and easy to find near San Diego where a lot of my tools came from). Small cabinet shops going out of business are also a great souce.

Buy all portable power tools NEW. I got a neat old Stanley 4x24 beltsander at a flea market. Although now I wouldn't trade it for anything on the market, it took a really skilled machinist friend of mine and a bunch of really big machine tools in his garage to get the thing going...

Buy all measurement and layout tools NEW, and spend LOTS of money.

If it only has to be strong, then buy import. I just got a import hydraulic press. Been looking for a used one for TEN years, nothing. Finally got tired of beating bearings off of shafts precariously balanced between two stacks of cinder bricks with a sledge hammer. Domestic is nice, but WAY too expensive.

Never spend good (or much) money on consumables, like screwdrivers, pliers, side cutters, etc. Too many people giving this stuff away (road finds, garage sales, flea markets).

As with all new stuff, try to get the floor model, discontinued stuff, machines missing parts or instructions.

As with all used stuff, be oportunistic. Almost bought a cheap metal cutting bandsaw in Abilene TX while on a layover when I flew for American Eagle airlines. I found it at a flea market which was behind the layover hotel. The captain and I labored for quite a while over whether or not this thing would mess up the weight and balance of our little 34 seat Saab 340. But, he was willing to help me try to talk the ramp guys into helping us load the thing up!

Could go on forever, truely, half the fun is in the search. I love the memory my tools invoke when I use them as much as using them. Nearly every one of them has it's own story to tell.

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john d

03-22-2001 13:20:44




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
Got a bunch of mine from my Dad and Grandfather. Some of them are antique, but quite functional, and still in regular use.

Wife and kids have gotten me several for birthday or Christmas presents. A few I've found on the road, a couple I got from friends who had them and either didn't like them, couldn't fix them, or couldn't figure out how to use them properly.

Some of the best tools for the $$ that I ever bought were on the "clearance" shelf at the hardware, autoparts store, Wal-Mart, etc. I got a 1/2" combination wrench once for 65 cents that was marked "Made in India" but I figured I wasn't losing much, and it just "felt right" when I held it. It's been a gem! I once got a lower-end B&D circular saw at a Target store for $13.00. I've gotten over 15 years of occasional use out of that one. Another time, I asked a hardware manager how much longer a drill was going to be on sale. He said "Until I sell it. That's the last one!" I said "Lower the price a little more, and I'll buy it right now!" He did, and I bought it. Another time, I bought a re-conditioned chain saw at a Sears Tool Store that had been sitting there for a while, and was marked down to $15.00, then I asked the Manager, "What else are you willing to sell me at a ridiculous price?" He sighed, pointed to a reconditioned pressure washer (list new over $900) and said "That!" I looked at the tag, and said "Well, it hasn't moved for $400, so let's talk!" I walked out with it for $235.00. Then I had a REAL problem getting it into the trunk of my car!

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Leon R

03-22-2001 07:04:13




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
My Dad gave me his small tool collection 35 years ago, mostly Snap-on and Bluepoint. Since then I bought new usually when in a hurry, but mostly over the past 10 years or so I have been successful at finding most things used at garage sales. It's amazing what is out there.



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Know it Almost All

03-22-2001 06:37:25




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
When I went to trade school, part of the tuition was for a full set of Craftsman tools. As time went on, and I begin supplementing with Craftsman, Snap On, Mac, etc, I learned, there is no such thing as a "full set!"
One of the best free tool hauls I ever made was when an Old timer I had mowed grass for and took to the doctor occassionly, decided to move into an apartment. Cleaning out the basement he said, "Take what you want out of my toolroom." Got free electric motors, a chainsaw, even antique oil cans!
Its a real good idea to help out old timers! My plan is a variation on the what goes around comes around theory. Hopefully If I live long enough to become an Old timer, some young punk will move in next door to me and help me out. Then I'll be able to tell him how I remember back in the 90's, all we had were 486 computers with keyboards, instead of this new fangled microchip in your head stuff.

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Know it Almost All

03-22-2001 06:39:13




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 Re: Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to Know it Almost All, 03-22-2001 06:37:25  
P.S. Auctions seem to be getting worse and worse for trying to buy reasonable priced tools.



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Salmoneye

03-22-2001 04:34:19




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
I am a scrounge in training under the Master Of Scrounge, my friend Jimmy.

I have found some doozies under his tutelage. Last summer at lawn sales: Snap-On Ignition Analyzer in the never opened box: $3
Brand new Craftsman Circular Saw: $5
Slightly used SK Wayne socket set: Free Pile
And on and on.
When I need something 'special' I sic Jimmy on the project. Told him I was planning a 350 tap sugaring operation here at home for next year. I told him that I had all the materials for the sugar shack but had no equipment. He has already delivered about 1000 feet of plastic tubing for the pipelines and has found me a 300 gallon stainless steel bulk tank for sap storage. Total cost of startup to date: $0.00
Now if I can find a 3X10 foot evaporator for free...
:-)

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F14

03-22-2001 03:53:21




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
Bought probably half. Have a few I inherited from my Dad. A couple dozen I found in various places. Quite a few from yard sales.

Some of the best ones are from "I'll give ya $20 if you'll haul all that trash out of my basement" type jobs. Picked up a 500' spool of #4 two-wire cable with ground that way once ":^)



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Paul J. Decker

03-22-2001 03:49:02




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
I have obtained tools from all sources mentioned. Portable electric tools I'll usually only buy new. Large Machinery I usually prefer used because the really good new stuff costs too much and the lesser priced equipment is not as good as the old, solid cast iron stuff from the thirties, forties and fifties. I have purchased at local auctions but they have become too popular and the bargains are rare. I used eBay alot but it is also getting too competative (which is good when I'm looking to sell something after trading up). Garage/yard sales have yeilded a few good buys. I found a complete bandsaw (in pieces) in a dumpster at the landfill. I found three pneumatic staplers/nailers with approx. 50,000 staples and nails in another dumpster next door to where I work. There is no shame to be felt in "dumpster diving". "One man's junk is another man's treasure". I think it's their loss and my gain.

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RonMC

03-21-2001 22:46:01




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
John, I have to admit I got most of mine the hard way (money), but have come across some interesting things at garage sales, flea markets - "that screwdriver is only 25cents 'cause it's broken". Snap-on - allllright ! Have also gained a lot of home-quality tools from doing inspections on used cars traded at the dealership, things left under hoods, in the spare well; also slide-hammers found in stolen recovered cars which were used to pull the ignition lock. Kind of a limited-use object - maybe I'll have to take up car theft as a hobby after I retire !

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Roger

03-22-2001 21:00:52




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 Re: Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to RonMC, 03-21-2001 22:46:01  
Ho Ho! After doing a few tours as a lot attendant at several used car lots, I also remember going on "treasure hunts" everytime a used car came in. The older the better. Best ones were old 4 door v-8 sedans with oil leaks, since they almost always had a full container of new oil in the trunk ( eventually, I found enough and filters to have a couple of free oil changes on my car). I found two really heavy-duty sets of jumper cables, a b&w 12 volt television, a night-stick from a Topaz traded in by an MP, a gun cleaning kit, a set of dashboard bulbs, a multi-bit screwdriver set, a big adjustable wrench, a 12v compressor, retrieved by pulling the back seat on a 78 Newport with a locked trunk, a jack-all, oceans of windshield wash and coolant, brake fluid, tranny oil, dozens and dozens of fuses (always handy!), headlight bulbs, lighters, matches, and one night, a side by side shotgun. The used car lot was a lot more interesting place to work than the new car lot. There was one time a car came in with beautiful aluminum wheels. The car was a piece of junk, but the wheels were brand new. Should have grabbed them before the car was wholesaled. But how nice can an 86 Topaz be made to look, anyway?

My buddy takes the cake though. He frequents a lot of junkyards and finds all kinds of neat things. He has recently sold some Chrysler steering wheels on E-bay for several hundred dollars apiece! Talk about a profitable day's work!

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John Ne.

03-21-2001 20:15:25




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
Years ago I bought all my tools off the truck, at hardware stores, auto parts stores. Now I get them at auctions, pawn shops, garage sales, and laying on the highway! Have scrounged back country dumpsites, old car trunks, and generally been successful with at least an unusual item. Can't stress digging thru the bins at pawn shops enough, usually find plenty of old dirty snap-on Mac and Craftsman tools, at 10% of shelf prices. Hmm, this does make us old tool and tractor guys sound like we're thrifty, or just resourceful. John, Nebraska.

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wrenchman

03-22-2001 01:09:38




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 Re: Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John Ne., 03-21-2001 20:15:25  
thrifty??nah just cheap.a dollar saved is a dollar not spent.:):):)



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Roger

03-21-2001 19:02:32




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 Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:53:02  
Funny you should ask. I have picked up quite a few hand tools at red lights while riding my motorcycle. Wire strippers, screwdrivers, pliers and a fine selection of road-rashed 9/16 wrenches.

Can't for the life of me figure out why that size is so prevalent.



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Rick

03-26-2001 18:10:07




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 Re: Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to Roger, 03-21-2001 19:02:32  
Roger....The reason 9/16 is so common to find is that is the size needed to adjust truck brakes. In the days before automatic slack adjusters, most every truck had a 9/16 wrench lieing right inside the drivers door.



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Paul

03-22-2001 11:05:37




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 Re: Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to Roger, 03-21-2001 19:02:32  
I spent 33 years working on road construction. Most of my toolbox tools are road finds. With a sharp trained eye you can not only spot a wrench lying partially hidden in the shoulder grass, you can tell the size before you step on the brake. At 55 MPH. Gotta know where to look. Do you hit a bumpy railroad crossing or bridge approach on the route to and from work each day? Keep your eyes peeled after you cross any bump - that's where the wrenches fall off. I quit picking up tarp straps years ago. Ran outa room for them.

A guy gave me two mobile home axles with no wheels. I'd eat my lunch as I waded the briars along the interstate patching job I was working on, and in two weeks found 13 mobile home/lowboy tires and wheels, only searching during my 30 minute lunch break. I'd mark the spot and pick 'em up after work.

Never set your chainsaw or toolbox on the back corner of your flatbed truck, even with 2 X 8 sideboards (people do that). On a sharp bump, it will bounce up and you'll drive out from under it. Put your name in your toolbox and on your tools. Believe it or not, a lot of folks will return it if they only know whose it is. Don't leave that nice wrench lying on your truck bumper after changing the hitch ball. I've been on both ends of that one. . .

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big fred

03-21-2001 19:47:36




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 Re: Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to Roger, 03-21-2001 19:02:32  
I picked up a nice straight blade screwdriver with wooden handle in the mountains outside Palm Springs, a long way from anywhere. Also found a nice 24" Ridgid pipe wrench laying in a parking space when I got to work one day.



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the tractor vet

03-21-2001 19:45:18




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 Re: Re: How do we all gets our tools? in reply to Roger, 03-21-2001 19:02:32  
It is the size wrench that is used to adjust truck air brake cams.



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