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J Schwiebert

09-06-2006 15:36:26




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O. K. This question is for you guys that work on Electronic engine system and more so for trucks, larger (Class 5 and up) diesel trucks. I know Fluke is the king of the meters, but what are you using for a meter? I gave my son a Craftsman for Christmas two years ago and Sears even had them on sale and it will do things my Fluke will not. I know my Fluke is more for indudtrial maintenance but the Craftsman had been good for about 15% of the Fluke money. Any comments? Thanks.J

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bjr

09-08-2006 10:30:08




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 Was fishing for a while in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
Was on various catcher processors fish boats as a engineer in the Bearing Sea. Had to go with Fluke 27. They're sealed and fused. Needed dependablity. I would have liked it to be backlite though because there were times we had to get circuits going again when lights were out but there still could be hot stuff there. Anyone been on a tossing ship trying to get stuff running again will appreciate a Fluke meter. My thoughts. bjr

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jdemaris

09-08-2006 05:42:49




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
I'll comment a little on problems with just about any I've used. Different problems with different meters. I'd like to have one meter that I'd trust to be good for any sort of test - but I've yet to find it. I've got a couple of Flukes, a pile of dead Radio Shack and Craftsmans, Beckman, an older analog Simpson, a Wiggens, a dozen digital $2.99 each meters from Harbor Freight, an Extech, etc.
When I'm in my truck/tractor shop, the cheap meters usually work fine for simple low-amp draw readings or DC voltage. But - even with that I've found the el-cheapo Harbor Freight meters to be useless. I had a few occasions - attempting to read a DC line that should of been in the 14 volt range, where the meter would - all-of-a-sudden go nuts and the reading would be all over the place. And, the resistance or continutity scale is too slow to be of any use - when checking such things e.g. a directional signal line that cycles on and off. With any of my Flukes and also my Extech - I was attempting to get Hertz Cycle readings off a engine-driven AC generator - and none of my digital meters would give me an accurate reading, whereas all my older analog meters worked fine. Again, with engine-driven AC geneators - I had several problems getting a good AC voltage reading from several cheap meters, but in this case, the Fluke and Extechs worked fine. Now, with AC voltage readings from inverters producing modified sinewave - no cheap AC meter would read - because a RMS type meter is needed. In this case, the Flukes and Extechs worked great, and nothing else worked at all. So - I admit I haven't bought every meter on the market - but I still find myself switching back and forth with old (analog) meters and new digital meters to get accurate readings. My two sons love the Fluke meters since that's what they used in the military. I recently bought an Extech 470 and I think it was a good deal for a meter in the $100 price-range. It has a RMS AC voltmeter, a non-contact infrared thermomter, etc. Only aspect I've found so far that is not up to snuff is the cycle meter in certain applications.

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Buzzman72

09-07-2006 08:45:10




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
I'm currently attending classes at a state-owned community college/vocational school, and for the automotive department they purchased several Craftsman digital multimeters. They all have the rubberized/plastic case, and they serve all the needs of the auto shop there. [The main automotive instructor, an ASE master tech with 23 years of dealership experience, still has his own Fluke, but he says the Craftsman meters are more than simply adequate for those just starting out in the business].

One modification he's done to the Craftsman meters is to install an inline blade fuse holder with a 10A fuse in the black lead. That way, if you blow a fuse, it's less likely to be the internal one on the meter, and you can replace it without taking the meter out of the rubberized case...and besides, most folks who work in an automotive setting are more likely these days to have the blade fuses on hand than glass fuses.

So based upon the recommendations of this master tech, I purchased a Craftsman digital multimeter and added the inline fuse holder, and it's been as good as I've needed up to this point.

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Cliff (VA)

09-07-2006 05:55:51




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
I am an electrical engineer and have been at this for many years and have owned many meters from cheap $20 Radio Shack to Fluke 87 III.

There are several differences between these two extremes:

Mechanical Durability

The RS got all scratched up quickly in my tool box. After a year or two you could not read the meter easily. Then the battery holder broke. My Fluke has a rubber boot, is made of tougher plastic, and has a seal to waterproof it. It still reads quite easily.

Electrical durabilty

I have never known anyone to smoke a Fluke. Goodness knows that I have tried a few times. I have had to replace a fuse a couple of times however. My RS has a couple of burned resistors inside.

Accuracy

The Fluke 87 III is a 4 1/2 digit meter. It holds its calibration well over time. My Radio Shack drifts with the wind. The Radio Shack will tell you if it is an 1 K Ohm resistor. If I want to know if the resistor is really 1.00 K Ohm or a 1.01 K Ohm then I use the Fluke.

Price
My Fluke cost me almost $400 vs the RS at $20.

All that said for working on tractors or heavy trucks I don't normally go get the Fluke. Any of my meters will work fine. I would suggest you look for mechanical durability first and features second. It will last longer that way.

HTH

Cliff (VA)

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tcwinkc

09-06-2006 22:43:35




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
I have used a sears model 982406 for over fifteen years on a daily basis.I worked for a John Deere dealer and mostly repaired electrical problems.The only problem I had was with test leads failing at union between probe andwire, this actually worked good for me.I bought a few cheap sets and added terminal ends to them so I could do hands free diagnostics, on spade type terminals, bullets and so on. I always was very pleased when the Snap-On guy passed me by every week,the way I see it, I was at work to put money in my pocket. For 99 percent of the jobs the low dollar sears will do all you will need and probably even a little more. Just my toughts...

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bradk

09-06-2006 19:31:10




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
Hi John,
I know the Fluke for industrial maint.you're talking about.My little brother uses one at his job.Pretty minimal functions,but gets the job done for basics.
The ones I have owned are Fluke 87,88,BluePoint,and OTC.All with full recording as well as full versatility functions.
When I worked at the GM dealership,the Fluke 87 was a Kent-Moore essential tool for diagnosing their vehicles.
The only multi-meters I have and need anymore are the Fluke 87 and 88.In my opinion,the Flukes are more user friendly,and more durable than any other meter. ~brad

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MarkB_MI

09-06-2006 19:20:15




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
I have two meters: A Fluke 77 and a Simpson 260. I don't use the Simpson much because it's so stinking big and bulky.

If I were to buy a meter today, I think I'd just look for one with the features I want. You can get a lot of features for the money with one of the off-brand meters. I really wish my Fluke did frequency; I kick myself every time I fire up my generator that I didn't cough up the extra bucks when I bought my meter.

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Gerald J.

09-08-2006 08:29:12




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to MarkB_MI, 09-06-2006 19:20:15  
For frequency find an electric clock, like a Telechron that has a synchronous motor, not a quartz clock. Its handy to have a sweep second hand, and then with an independent quartz clock or watch, time that second hand. When it takes 60 seconds the generator is putting out 60 Hz. Shoot for a bit faster so when it slows down with load it stays at 60 or better. That's a more precise reading than the typical frequency meter. If you want to be closer, turn a short wave radio to 2.5, 5.0, 10.0 or 15.0 MHz and listen to the time signals from WWV. As received they are about 6 significant digits accurate unless you are in Colorado then they may be 12 significant digits accurate.

Gerald J.

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rottenrobert

09-06-2006 18:05:00




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
I have an OLD Blackhawk analog meter that has dwell, tach and volts for the old stuff. And I have two Craftsman digital meters one at work and one at home. The one at work has the IR non contact thermometer that is real handy.



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souNdguy

09-06-2006 17:36:48




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
The other poster is right on about the old simpson meters.. good rock solid units.

For gennies, points, or anything with brushes and/ inductive currents.. keep a cheapy 10$ vom around to do volt measurements, and to watch needle swings on ohm scale when checking capacitive circuits. Past that.. pick a non autoranging vom with features you need.. like ohm / continuity, capacitor check, gain check for transistors, freq counter, etc.. etc.. the list is virtually endless. You can get range holding meters, ones that check duty cycle, some do waveform graphing.. some hold date for pc downlaod..e tc.

I picke dup a v-tech that is basically a copy of some model of fluke.

has temperature sensor, plus everything else I mentioned.. i think I paid ? 90$ for it at radio shack.. Has a shock proof rubber 'armor' around the case, and good leads.. nice unit.

I was able to use that even on a system with points and a genny.. even though a cheaper micronta autoranger didn't register ( though an old micronta desktop did work ok ).

Soundguy

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buickanddeere

09-06-2006 16:11:37




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 15:36:26  
Around electrical noise and varrying outputs. You want an analog like the old Simpson units. The digital meter sometimes just flicker without locking into a steady reading.



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Bill of TN

09-06-2006 18:18:21




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to buickanddeere, 09-06-2006 16:11:37  
Got to agree that for an analog Simpson is a great meter..... For digital, Fluke or Beckman..... .fluke usually has push buttons, Beckman has a dial to turn....both are very good meters.....



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J Schwiebert

09-06-2006 19:16:39




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to Bill of TN, 09-06-2006 18:18:21  
They had the Simpson's 30 years ago when I started at the vocational school and they are a very good old meter. Anyhow one of the requirements for this project is the people need to use a digital multimeter to check out these new vehicles. They use the CAN system so far . I have not heard of the Beckman. Please clue me in and thanks for ewveryone's imput. J.



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Bill of TN

09-07-2006 05:50:24




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 Re: Digital Multi meters in reply to J Schwiebert, 09-06-2006 19:16:39  
I currently use a fluke but honestly prefer the dial on the Beckman over the push buttons of the fluke.

I wasn't able to find a beckman website but here's a look at a retailers site.

http://www.byramlabs.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=36&filter_id=63&ref=o



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