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How does impact wrench work?

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Thomas

03-21-2001 01:56:54




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Hi, I'm a woodworker whith an interest in mechanics who always wants to know how a tool works before using it. Usually, taking apart the tool to a certain degree answers this question, though it can be tricky sometimes and according to user manuals voids all guarantee.
Right now, I'm considering buying an (electric, not air-powered) impact driver for screws. I guess it works the same way as an impact wrench but haven't had the chance to throw either one apart. Has any of you opened one up or do you just happen to know how these tools work? Of course, it's the transmission from rotation to impact rotation that interests me. Thanks!

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Gus

03-25-2001 04:59:31




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 Re: How does impact wrench work? in reply to Thomas, 03-21-2001 01:56:54  
Also a carpenter/woodworker, you have me curious about the impact for screws. We use an electric impact for lag screws/bolts. But mostly cordless screw guns for smaller screws. Always looking at new and better ways to do things. What type of screws are you driving? Gus



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Thomas

03-25-2001 13:59:52




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 Re: Re: How does impact wrench work? in reply to Gus, 03-25-2001 04:59:31  
I mostly drive the typical yellow particle board screws with a pozidriv head (which I also use for softwoods and hardwoods, the latter with proper predrilling of course; over here the old slotted screws are all but obsolete), most current size 5x50 (those are millimeters: I live in Belgium, Europe). Then there are the black drywall screws of let's say 3,5x35. But you can easily drive screws the size of lag bolts, say 125mm (5") but with a pozidriv head, with an impact driver. I've seen such a screw go all the way into a bangkirai beam and pull its head completely under the surface-with no predrilling at all! I think you'll have considerable trouble doing that with a regular screwgun. If you handle an impact driver right, there is no tearout whatsoever, and you don't need to lean over the screwgun like a wrestler to achieve that. Makita has an angular impact driver, Makita 6940D, whith which you can really appreciate this advantage of the impact system. It is very difficult to exert any force sideways deep into a recess, but this machine allows you to drive the screw anyway if you can just push hard enough to keep the bit in the screw head. I don't own de thing myself (I don't drive enough screws in confined spaces to justify the expense), but I tried it and drooled profusely over it at a trade show.

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John in MA

03-21-2001 18:41:12




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 Re: How does impact wrench work? in reply to Thomas, 03-21-2001 01:56:54  
An impact wrench for screws? I wouldn't want to meet the screws you're driving in a dark alley.

Anyway, pneumatic and electic impacts work the same way, aside from the air vs. elec motor. I'm not very good at describing things, but here goes. There's a heavy cylinder in which the anvil shaft can rotate in. On the cylinder, there's a dog that can pivot back and forth. There is also a small rotaing collar that can push the dog one way or the other. The motor drives the collar, which pushes on the dog, which in turn pushes on two projections on the anvil shaft. This whole assembly spins around until the anvil shaft is stopped by you trying to turn a bolt. Then the fun starts. The anvil stops, and the increased force from the driven collar causes the dog to pivot away from the anvil. The cylinder+dog rotate one revolution until the dog hits the projection again. The whole cycle then starts all over again with the dog repeatedly hitting and releasing the shaft until the anvil starts to rotate. There's your impact.

This info was gained whilst overhauling a Chinese 1/2" impact wrench. Air tools are really fun if you like playing with machined aluminum and steel.

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Thomas

03-22-2001 00:10:25




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 Re: Re: How does impact wrench work? in reply to John in MA, 03-21-2001 18:41:12  
Thanks, John. In the mean time (when I get curious about something patience isn't one of my virtues) I found a very complete tutorial on how these thinks work on

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As far as the screws are concerned, I do drive a healthily sized screw from time to time, but the main advantage of impact drivers is speed. Since you don't have to waste all your battery energy (yes, I'm talking about cordless tools here) on motor torque, there's more left for speed. A typical cordless drill/driver only drives screws at low speed, which is something like 500 RPM (no load speed), whereas an impact driver achieves over 2000 RPM (no load). And there's far less slipping of bits and stripping the head of your screws, which is a nice bonus.

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John in MA

03-22-2001 00:19:09




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 Re: Re: Re: How does impact wrench work? in reply to Thomas, 03-22-2001 00:10:25  
That's very interesting. There isn't one thing that the example shown has in common with the ones I've worked on. I never knew some electric wrenches were so different from the pneumatic models.



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Thomas

03-22-2001 00:26:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How does impact wrench work? in reply to John in MA, 03-22-2001 00:19:09  
Darn. I thought these things would all work on the same principle. If there are different systems, there has to be one that is the best. Now I need to find that out. Grmmmbl...



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John in MA

03-22-2001 01:23:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How does impact wrench work? in reply to Thomas, 03-22-2001 00:26:49  
I'd imagine that the DeWalt's hammer on the physics page is suited for electric use. The type I've seen is more or less the pneumatic standard. An electric motor might not have the power, speed, and/or durability to cope with that design. As far as which is better, pneumatic wrenches can be far more powerfull, but the spring hammer type is probably just fine for electric use.



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Charlene

04-08-2005 12:44:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How does impact wrench wor in reply to John in MA, 03-22-2001 01:23:38  
Thanks John in MA.,Thanks Thomas:
That was quite an overview. Now, the question
remains,how does an impact wrench works?
I would appreciate if anyone of you guys can submit an illustration, along with an explanation of mentioned parts and their functions.Again Thanks.



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