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Replacing Propane Tank

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john in la

08-27-2006 08:05:59




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In my quest to wean my house of propane I have come to a decision point.

Right now I have a rented 150 gal propane tank with a regulator on the tank. Rent is $50 per year.
I have gotten to the point where this tank is much to big since the only thing that I have left on propane is my kitchen stove/oven. The cook says the gas stove stays so I need to make a choice.

I really want to replace this rented tank and buy something a lot smaller. I am thinking of getting 2- 20 lb tanks and manifold them together. The problem or question I am having is the regulator.
From what I have been reading I need a regulator at the tank to reduce pressure of tank to line pressure then another regulator at the house to reduce pressure to appliance pressure.
BUT right now I only have 1 regulator at the tank and the regulator that is mounted in the stove????? ????

Can someone please explain to me how this regulator thing works so I can be better informed when I go to purchase the needed equipment.

Thanks.

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08-30-2006 00:20:27




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to john in la, 08-27-2006 08:05:59  
The regulator on the tank probably reduces the pressure to a low psi for the line and the one in the stove reduces it further to whatever the stove requires. I have two 40lb tanks on an old large trailer and I believe they are not required to be tested. That size can be taken to a dealer for refill and you should pay less than two 20lb exchange tanks at the convenience store. Walmart charges about $16 for a 20lb exchange in northern/central Ca.
What happened to all the house/travel trailers that were damaged by Katrina? They must be in some super size wrecking yards. Maybe you can find some larger tanks there. New 20 lb tanks are about $45 each here. Empty.

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Steve Crum

08-28-2006 07:51:46




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to john in la, 08-27-2006 08:05:59  
I threw Ferrell gas off the property and switched to electric for my hot water. The only thing propane now is the kitchen stove. I bought a regulator at an RV supply store in town and use a 20 pound tank which lasts about 3 weeks. When it is empty I just take in down to the mini mart and exchange it. Incidently if anyone is running 10 PSI to their stove, no wonder their kitchen ceiling is scorched! Any gas stove I've ever seen has a pressure max of 10 IWC (inches water column) pressure. or roughly 5.9 OUNCES per sq.in.

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paul

08-27-2006 20:00:07




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to john in la, 08-27-2006 08:05:59  
The small 20 gal tanks go out of service in 12 years.

Get a 100 size tank, then you have something. Will be cheaper than the plumbing & cost of the 2 small tanks anyhow.

--->Paul



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greenbean

08-27-2006 18:26:27




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 Propane Tank regulators in reply to john in la, 08-27-2006 08:05:59  
A number of years ago the regulation of propane tank pressure did change for safety reasons. It used to be that one regulator was used at the tank.

Later a higher pressure regulator was used at the tank and a lower working pressure regulator was used just outside of the house/building, etc.

On very rare occasions a tank regulator would have its vent ice over and wind up delivering high pressure to the house. I have known of two instances where such pressure produced flames to the ceiling. Luckily in both instances people were at hand to promptly shut off the flow and thus stopping a house fire. Two regulators practically elimiminates this chance of fire.

I agree that 100 pound bottles would probably be your best option. Farm supply stores often sell them new. Some dealers correctly refuse to fill older bottles owned by another dealer or without an updated inspection.

I would also suggest that you speak to the dealer you will have fill such bottles and ask about getting an automatic switch over valve to supply the regulator. When one bottle runs out the device will automatically switch over to the full bottle. The empty bottle can even be removed for refilling without disrupting the flow. Campers typically have such a set up.

Another thing---I don't believe that low pressure regulators are set at .5 lbs. pressure. I believe they are correctly set at 13 or 13.5 inches of water column pressure.

Safety first as I also suggest you spring a few extra bucks for regulator covers to prevent icing.

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Bus Driver

08-27-2006 10:02:37




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to john in la, 08-27-2006 08:05:59  
At my house, the tank has a regulator that delivers 10 PSI to the line to the house, then another regulator right on the outside wall that delivers 0.5 PSI inside the house.



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john in la

08-27-2006 11:16:22




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to Bus Driver, 08-27-2006 10:02:37  
And that is what I have been reading as to the way it is suppose to be.
BUT right now I only have one regulator at the tank on a propane dealer installed tank.

So has this system been hooked up wrong all these years???
Has the rules changed recently that would have made this system legal then but not now???
Or do they have a 0.5 psi regulator at the tank??

Questions; questions; questions.

May have to go to another dealer for answers. Do not know if I trust my present dealer for advise; especially after I tell them I do not want their tank anymore.

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jamco

08-27-2006 08:42:21




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to john in la, 08-27-2006 08:05:59  
don,t know where you are located in Ia but I would get a 100 lb tank free and then ask supplier what you need. they keep changing things but if they don,t come out you don,t have to do. I have 2 tanks that I would give away as supplier is no longer in bussiness.



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john in la

08-27-2006 11:19:04




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to jamco, 08-27-2006 08:42:21  
I am between N.O. and B.R.
I may be interested if the tanks are in fair shape.

My e-mail is open.



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Woodbutcher

08-27-2006 12:04:20




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to john in la, 08-27-2006 11:19:04  
John,
I have rented a propane tank for 20 years for fueling my 3010 lp John Deere tractor. Then after an ice storm, I decided to run a line into our all-electric house for heat when the power goes off. The installers put a regulator on the tank and one on the side of the house. They told me this was because of the distance from the tank. I assumed that if was close enough they would have needed only one.
By the way, is everything back to normal after Katrina?
Butch

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john in la

08-27-2006 13:10:52




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to Woodbutcher, 08-27-2006 12:04:20  
I am starting to think that may be my answer.

I assumed that if was close enough they would have needed only one.

Things will never be the same after Katrina!!!
While the area I live in is busting at the seams with new growth; Burger King and such places have raised pay from $6 to $10 per hour because they can not find enough workers; some areas of N.O. are like a ghost town. People have moved and will never return. Their homeowners insurance is calling it a flood; and their flood insurance is calling it wind driven water. A lot of banks are hurting because of all the people that just walked away from their house and said; there it is foreclose on it.
I took this picture last weekend. Yes that house and garage are in the middle of the street.

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Woodbutcher

08-28-2006 03:47:45




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 Re: Replacing Propane Tank in reply to john in la, 08-27-2006 13:10:52  
John,
That's incredible. Insurance is great until you need it, apparantly. Butch



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