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Cleaning tools of rust---update

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Stan in Oly, WA

08-25-2006 11:59:28




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I followed T_Bone's suggestion to dissolve rust by soaking the rusty metal in vinegar for a few days. It worked great, but I wondered whether the vinegar was used up in the process. I asked a jeweler friend who uses all kinds of chemicals to etch metal surfaces for decorative purposes. He said the easiest way to find out was to just go ahead and use it because I didn't have much to lose. Well, I used it and I want to warn everyone about it. It made my salad taste like an old brillo pad and it turned my teeth black.

But seriously, the rusty mild steel I soaked in vinegar for three days came out rust free. (I did shake the container two or three times a day to expose new surface.) After being rinsed, the steel comes out a soft gunmetal gray. Where the rust on the surface was heavy and even, a little scrubbing with a nylon dishwashing pad revealed an attractive matte finish that I hope to be able to use in metal sculpture. The vinegar really does stain everything it touches black--- skin, sink, countertop, scrubber. It cleans off fairly easily but by knowing about it in advance, and using a little planning you can avoid the problem altogether.

Stan

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benny2

08-26-2006 07:29:09




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 If they are Re: Cleaning tools of rust---update in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 08-25-2006 11:59:28  
If they are really bad you can use Lime Away it is mostly phosphoric acid and will losen or desolve heavy rust and fix a good rust resentiant finish.



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led

08-25-2006 20:12:57




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 Re: Cleaning tools of rust---update in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 08-25-2006 11:59:28  
While we are on the subject, are there any rules of thumb? (for lack of better term) As to use of vinegar,Coke % electorlis (sp)? Time to soak, cost, depth of rust? I would love to hear comments.

Led



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Leroy

08-25-2006 17:34:36




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 Re: Cleaning tools of rust---update in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 08-25-2006 11:59:28  
I have done that before. Just use the cheaper white vinagar, Cider vinager is more expencive and tast does not mater. Use the 5%. Just use over and over till quits working, then throw down drain and get fresh.



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T_Bone

08-25-2006 16:20:41




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 Re: Cleaning tools of rust---update in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 08-25-2006 11:59:28  
Hi Stan,

So it was the finish you were looking for?

Like bjb was pointing out, I have some acid mixs that also works well depending on what your looking for.

T_Bone



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Stan in Oly, WA

08-25-2006 21:28:46




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 Re: Cleaning tools of rust---update in reply to T_Bone, 08-25-2006 16:20:41  
Hi Ken,

The surface finish was just a bonus of the process for me. My initial intent was nothing more than to try the vinegar rust removal process you described in your 8/22 response to Gary Shafer's question of 8/21. I had a gallon of cheap white vinegar and no shortage of rusty metal fasteners and steel coupons to soak in some of it.

A month ago I watched a demonstration by that jeweler I mentioned above of a few of the metal etching and plating procedures that can be done with readily available chemicals. It was really interesting stuff but my current policy is to not get distracted from a few things I'd like to become really good at. I'm already about half good at way more things than I need to be.

All the best, Stan

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bjb in NE

08-25-2006 13:15:23




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 Re: Cleaning tools of rust---update in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 08-25-2006 11:59:28  
Yes the vinegar is being consumed. The Iron Oxide (rust) is acting as a weak base and reacting with the acetic acid (vinegar). The products of formation are water and iron acetate. Iron itself is a weak base as well, and the vinegar may begin to react with the iron forming hydrogen gas and iron acetate. Although if you are only using regular strength vinegar the reaction will not produce any significate hydrogen.

You will not consume all the vinegar however because at some point eqillibrium will be reached when the enough is consumed that the forward reaction will not take place (it doesnt actually stop it just that the forward rate of reaction=reverse rate of reaction). Then you will have to replace the vinegar with fresh stock.

This works with other acids as well like sulfuric and muratic (hydrochloric) but both of these are considered strong acids so the reaction is quicker and they can more easily react with the actual iron (as well as being more dangerous to work with).

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edchainsaw

08-25-2006 19:40:31




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 Re: Cleaning tools of rust---update in reply to bjb in NE, 08-25-2006 13:15:23  
I was at the Portland show this week

someone from the Tool Collectors club told us to try this RUSTBEETER stuff.. made from sugar beets... got a gallon's worth to try..



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