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Does anyone make a door opener?

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Ryan - WI

08-20-2006 19:03:27




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I am in need of a door opener, or shortly I will be giving a dog away.

Here is the situation. My dog is a black lab cross and is the energetic and curious sort. This becomes a problem as when we are gone he apparently likes to roam the house. No big deal until he has to look behind the bedroom doors to see if anything is back there. He nudges the door, the door swings closed. Shortly there after he decides to panic and begins to attempt to dig under the door. You can see where this is going. I have scratch marks on many of my doors and he managed to dig a hole about 2 foot by 3 foot in the carpet in my son's room. That carpet has now been replaced to the tune of $650. Last night he shut himself in there again, despite the gate to the stairway being shut, the door being closed and a babyproofing handle being on the doorknob. He scratched the new carpet pretty well and I may have to replace a chunk of our brand new carpet. I have figured that I need some sort of reverse door closer. Something that I can rig up so that when he nudges the door it will want to stay open rather than atempting to swing itself shut. Does anyone make such a product? I have attempted to use a Ryobi Doorman and it will work to an extent except it pops open really fast when you open the door and it will only let the door open about 75 degrees.

I really do not want something rigged up with a hook or something similar as my wife and I entertain a lot (she is a pastor) and many people will see it.

This is driving me insane but I definitely do not want to get rid of my dog (although my wife might prefer it at this point).

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JOHN HARMON

08-21-2006 22:20:08




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:03:27  
Sounds to me like you leave most of the interior Doors of your Home open. If this is the case and there is a reason doors are left open, well remove them and store them away. The necessary doors to remain you should close them all the time. I love Labs and mine is a live in as yours is but, you have to draw the line if he won't settle down. A long line of Labs for this family shows they start to slow down around 5-6 years of age so if he is young ,your House is in Harms way. Good luck ,John

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Ryan - WI

08-22-2006 21:01:03




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-21-2006 22:20:08  
John,
I really don't want to explain to people who visit us that if they want a door for the guestroom they will need to go down to the basement and grab one. ;-)

We did try leaving the doors shut, however, he is good enough with his nose that he can turn the knob and get them open. We even tried using a childproofing knob cover and that didn't slow him down either.

The dog is no dummy... unfortunately

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JOHN HARMON

08-22-2006 21:25:09




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-22-2006 21:01:03  
You got to love em tho don't you?What would we use for stress relief if not for these 4 legged friends. I laugh when you say he's no dummy as I know just what you mean.Trying to explain to visitors the "no door deal" could get annoying also.



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Dachshund

08-21-2006 05:30:59




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:03:27  
Build a kennel with his own little "house" for when you are gone - or get a different dog!



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Hal/WA

08-21-2006 21:22:05




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Dachshund, 08-21-2006 05:30:59  
My dog is completely comfortable in her plastic dog shipping crate, which I keep in the basement. I don't think they cost $100 new and are pretty much indestructable. No worries if she is in there....

I never leave her there more than about 8 or 9 hours and she has never, never messed or peed in her box. Usually has to go pretty soon after she is out, though.



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Rauville

08-21-2006 05:13:33




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:03:27  
I would think something similar to this would be the cheapest and simplest to use.



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Slowpoke

08-21-2006 01:08:45




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:03:27  
I'm wondering why guests will have access to the bedrooms. If they are there to deposit coats and hats for the evening, they shouldn't think any less of you if they happen to look behind an open door and see a device to keep the door open. You might want to consider this: an ordinary gate latch (Grainger 4PE77) that can be finished in any color you like. Mount the latch part about an inch behind the outer edge (lockset side) of the back of the door at a convenient height. Make a 3x3x3/4 block of some nice wood and fasten the swinging bar and plate to it. Mount the block/bar on the wall so it will automaticaly lock into the latch when the door is fully opened. When you want the door closed, just flip the latch open with your finger. You may need to adjust the thickness of the block to allow for the spring door stop at the bottom. A lot less cost than a pnuematic opener and a lot less visable. Actually, no one can see it unless they are in the bedroom with the door closed.

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TomR Ont

08-20-2006 23:43:00




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:03:27  
Ryan � You need to start to train him NOW don�t wait until tomorrow or until you have the convinces of time.

Do be consistent - do talk normal - do show displeasure in your voice � do take your time, repeat repeat repeat. - Do use 1 and 2 word commands - do give treats as a reward.

Don�t yell - don�t be mean - don�t use sentences.

He�ll have you trained before you know it.

The one to train him is the ONLY one who will feed him anything, and not break and give in to the sweet little guy.
If someone else has to feed him because the alpha male can�t, then the food should just appear in his dish.

�Right now we are shutting him in the utility room, but I think that is just way too mean�
You got that right.

�plus he pants a lot when he wants out.�
Anxiety will cause him to pant excessively. Thunderstorm causes one of mine to get anxious and pants excessive.
The other one is starting to pick up on his distress and is showing anxiety when he does it.
Remember puppies do pee often.

�Couple that with his shedding�
As for, shedding they always seem to be shedding all year, just more in summer and fall.

I had a Black Lab/ Dob, cross short hair � Great dog, died at 16 have a Black lab/Sheppard cross long hair is 14 now, super dog with people, but he will ignore my wife if he doesn�t want to come in.
have a Black lab/ ?? cross about 4. short hair, don�t know the other, she was sold to the original owner as a purebred
they couldn�t handle her, they gave her to my son, he couldn�t handle her with a small kid and a new born.
So he gave her to me, well-behaved dog now (but she still gets too excited and happy when people come around}
I think it�s because she was always in one of those D*^ cages just out long enough to get (excited) in trouble, and then right back in.

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Ryan - WI

08-21-2006 05:55:01




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to TomR Ont, 08-20-2006 23:43:00  
I should have been a bit more specific. He is not a puppy, he just thinks he is. He is at least 6 years old. We got him from my brother and sister in law. A friend of theirs found him tied to a fencepost in suburban detroit. He is incredibly well trained already, so much that everyone is amazed when they come over. We have taught him commands for everything including "tile" and "carpet" when we want him to go to a certain area. For example if my niece who is 1 is playing in the living room, we will tell him "tile" so that he will leave the room so he doesn't hurt or scare the baby when she is playing on the floor.

Anyway, this is something that has just recently started occurring. Since we moved into a new house. The previous house was more of an open floor plan and only had three interior doors in the whole house. Insofar as training him, I am curious how you would attempt to do that. Every training manual I have ever read urges you to correct behavior instantly when it happens. As this is something that only happens when we are gone, I don't see how attempting to train it out of him is possible.

But like I said above I think I got it licked.

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Gerald J.

08-20-2006 19:45:08




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:03:27  
Remove the stop strips from the doors. Replace the hinges with hinges that are spring loaded but let the door swing either way (as on old movie bar gates). Then the dog can push in and push out.

Or cut a dog size passage in each door and put in a flap.

Gerald J.



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Ryan - WI

08-20-2006 21:30:51




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Gerald J., 08-20-2006 19:45:08  
I thought about that but then my doors would always be normally closed. Plus we have some doors like that at church and my son (2 years old) gets his fingers pinch by the doors. I think I have found a solution though. I mounted a closer on the back (hinge side) of the door with the arm facing toward the opening. I am going to put a roller on the end of the arm which when the door gets to about 40 degrees will contact the trim and resist. Until that time it will swing free. What was hanging me up before is trying to connect both ends of the closer. This way there really is no need to. I will post a pic tommorrow when I modify the closer with a roller.

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Brimo

08-20-2006 21:44:17




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 21:30:51  

If I see it right in my head that sounds workable -- will look forward to the pics



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Brimo

08-20-2006 21:14:09




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Gerald J., 08-20-2006 19:45:08  

That is a pretty good idea



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Tim Casbolt

08-20-2006 19:41:07




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:03:27  
Sir, I mean no disrespect, nor would I want to preach to the pastor (or her husband) but those are not indoor dogs. Long odds on teaching that dog proper manners. Even longer odds on making your house lab-proof.



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Ryan - WI

08-20-2006 19:50:19




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Tim Casbolt, 08-20-2006 19:41:07  
I am sorry, but I do not share that same thought. Neither do my neighbors, or the people across the backyard. In my opinion any dog can be trained to be an indoor dog. Come on over sometime, he is a very well trained dog. To the point that when we set the table for dinner he will go lay on the carpet in the other room as he knows he is not allowed in the dining room while we are eating. He just has this one fault and rather than throw him outside I thought maybe I can engineer a solution instead.

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KEB

08-20-2006 19:13:38




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:03:27  
One quick thought. Take a look at the door hinges with internal springs like are used to close doors going into the garage. Might be able to wind the spring the wrong way & make it swing the door open instead of closed. Never tried it, but can't think of anything else that wouldn't show.

Keith



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Jerry F

08-22-2006 17:39:37




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to KEB, 08-20-2006 19:13:38  
this is the same thing I thought of when I first read this. No ugly contraptions hanging off the door or frame and door wont close unless you make the effort. on one of the hinges you can put a little hinge door stopper devise to keep it from hitting the wall.



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Brimo

08-20-2006 19:07:04




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:03:27  

How about just a wedge door stop?



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Ryan - WI

08-20-2006 19:12:53




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Brimo, 08-20-2006 19:07:04  
Tried that. He will knock the wedge out of the way so he can explore behind the door. Right now we are shutting him in the utility room which has a tile floor, but I think that is just way too mean, plus he pants a lot when he wants out. Couple that with his shedding and it makes a nasty slippery mess.



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Ryan - WI

08-20-2006 19:12:48




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Brimo, 08-20-2006 19:07:04  
Tried that. He will knock the wedge out of the way so he can explore behind the door. Right now we are shutting him in the utility room which has a tile floor, but I think that is just way too mean, plus he pants a lot when he wants out. Couple that with his shedding and it makes a nasty slippery mess.



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john *.?-!.* cub owner

08-20-2006 19:32:53




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 Re: Does anyone make a door opener? in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-20-2006 19:12:48  
Velcor a small wooden block ot the face of the doro or jam wherre it will stop the door form completly closing. put it up high so it will be out of wya. it can be easily removed and reinstalled.



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