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Framers: nail size and other questions

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Slowpoke

08-18-2006 02:18:20




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For a round head framing nailer do you prefer wire weld, plastic collated or paper tape nails? Why? Which is the most common? Least expensive? Nails for use with a hammer are specified in "d" sizes, common, box, etc. But nails for pneumatic nailers are sold by inch length and hundredths of an inch in diameter. Are they the same nails but listed differently? I would like to know what size stick nails are used for studs thru the bottom and top plate, and cap plate to top plate. What's the size for toenailing 2x4s? 2x8 joists to cap plate? 1/2" plywood or OSB to studs and rafters? At $25-$45 a box I'd like to get the right nails the first time.
I can't seem to find this info anywhere but here.
Thanks for your help.

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fepo69

08-18-2006 12:28:35




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 Re: Framers: nail size and other questions in reply to Slowpoke, 08-18-2006 02:18:20  
I dont hear much advice about those palm nailers on this board... why?

I mean if you are not doing framing for a living and only need to do the occasional wall every few years then why not look at the palm nailer and drive in regular sized nails up to 70d I believe. Hold better than those strip nails IMO.



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Ryan - WI

08-18-2006 05:36:05




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 Re: Framers: nail size and other questions in reply to Slowpoke, 08-18-2006 02:18:20  
A word of advice. Know what you are going to be doing with it. We have a cordless Paslode (paper binding) and a Duo-fast pneumatic (plastic binding). I much prefer the Duofast gun as it has more power and therefore you rarely have to set a nail. However, it also leaves little bits of plastic all over. When using it to nail on roof sheathing those become little ball bearings and sliding down the roof is no fun.

What are you gonna use it for?

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Slowpoke

08-18-2006 10:37:33




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 Re: Framers: nail size and other questions in reply to Ryan - WI, 08-18-2006 05:36:05  
For starters, a common stud wall 8x32', 2x8 joists, and plywood wall and roof sheathing on 3in12 slope of a carport. After that I don't know.



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Bud in NC

08-18-2006 03:51:44




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 Re: Framers: nail size and other questions in reply to Slowpoke, 08-18-2006 02:18:20  
I'm looking at a Paslode right now. I was about to go with Senco but I think I can get a better deal with the Paslode dealer. I've used Paslode and Bostich nailers.

This next section probably isn't for anyone who's squemish - especially this early in the morning.
No real prefrence in most respects....over the years I've learned that the glue that holds the Paslode finish nails together for the Impulse Finish nailer REALLY hurts and aches when you get your finger. Last summer I learned that the wire colated 16's don't hurt near as bad when they go through you hand, but the wire left hanging on the nail snags the meat when you snatch it back out. On the other side, at least the doctor didn't have to probe and pick out pieces of paper.

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paul

08-18-2006 03:00:50




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 Re: Framers: nail size and other questions in reply to Slowpoke, 08-18-2006 02:18:20  
Seems in my town wire is the common one.

But wire & plastic make little bits of stuff fly around. Didn't like that. Seems messy & goes for the eyes....

Got myself a paper tape, 30-34 degree nailer a couple months ago, and I like it. Have run Bostitch (it's a F33PT model), Senco, Paslode, and a generic brand of paper tape nails through it from 2" to 3.25" - no problems. It also has a head to put in 1.5" metal connector nails, haven't used that but a nice feature.

In my town, there are _no_ Bostitch paper nails; but there are a lot of Paslode & some Senco paper available.

Look what you can get in town. Hate to have to run 50 miles to get a few nails for your gun if you run out.

Was a little nervious about mixing brands, but has been no problem - so far. I hear some brands are more fussy.

Most of the nail boxes have a d size reference on them as well as the inch size - in very small print.

I was splitting wood with some of the long fatter (.130?) nails, went to a .120 size same length & it went better. You might as well get a selection, you'll end up using them. You get into the treated lumber coating, ring shank, and other options, & you need a lot of different....

For some reason the framer nails go from 2-3/8" to 3". _Real_ hard to find anything in between. I had to order 2 boxes of 2.75" ring shank for a flooring project. 2, 2-3/8, & 3 are probably what you will use the most.

Driving 3.25" into old siding & 2 pieces of home sawn _hard_ lumber was a challenge for it, but got it done mostly. :) New wood you can burry the nails as much as you want.

I like the paper tape a lot but it's all I know, if you get a good brand of nailer (Bostitch & Paslode kept coming up...) you can't go too wrong if you go with what is popular in your area.

Lot of folks like the Paslode that doesn't use air - has a canister that charges it. Since I had the air compressor, figured was easier to go with air than to remember to buy the canisters... But, no hose can be a plus.

--->Paul

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Slowpoke

08-18-2006 19:53:14




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 Re: Framers: nail size and other questions in reply to paul, 08-18-2006 03:00:50  
My local Home Depot only carries plastic collated framing nails in Senco and off brand. I talked to a guy there who uses the Paslode Impulse nailer. He loves it and says the convenience is unbeatable. But the Paslode nails are 50% more in cost that regular nails. Regular nails: $22.95, Paslode nails: $32.95. I guess if the homeowner is paying who cares.



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paul

08-18-2006 23:21:22




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 Re: Framers: nail size and other questions in reply to Slowpoke, 08-18-2006 19:53:14  
That Paslode is a paper tape 30 degree, right?

HD 30 miles from me has a lot of paper tape nails, some plastic, & very little wire.

Menards across the street has a lot of wire, a lot of paper, and little plastic.

The lumber yards in my town have a lot of wire - both flat & coil. They have some plastic, and a fair amount of Paslode paper.

Prices for all seem pretty close, comparing apples to apples as far as coatings, ring shank, etc. If by 'regular' you mean bulk nails with a hammer, they are cheaper, but it takes alot more time to do a job - homeowner probably comes out ahead paying more for nails, less for labor.

--->Paul

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