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supergrumpy

08-11-2006 10:08:12




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need something better than a hand pump or 12v inflator for the occaisional big tire

Sears has bunch of air-less units, seems that they won't last long if they have no lubrication

also seems that 1 hp units draw 10 amps, 2 hp draw 15 amps, would need heavy wiring to get 4 SCFM to also run any decent impact wrench

I have heard some decent feedback about Campbell-Hausefield

am I on the right track here???

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supergrumpy

08-13-2006 14:49:24




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
thank you for your comments

gotta do some wiring or else live with a tiny compressor, will probably go with oiler unit



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jeffcat

08-13-2006 08:13:50




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
Stick with the ones that need oil. I have two Emglo units with the cast iron pumps. They are very quiet and pump like crazy. Oilless units when rebuilt pump much better again. DO NOT clean the cylinder wall! Leave the coating of teflon so you are ahead of the wear game. Emglo {now Jenney} has a unit that is built like a wheel barrow. Mine is a 15 K 8P. That is a 1.5hp electric motor with a K pump with 8 gallon twin tanks. GREAT little machine. Jeffcat

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RickL

08-12-2006 05:44:40




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
I have a used Coleman unit was used for about month. Works fine just don't need amymore $50.00



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J.C. IN AZ.

08-11-2006 19:44:19




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
I have a 4 H.P. Campbell-Hausfield which has served me well for at least 8 years. I have used it moderately,painted several vehicles,one twice, and ran numerous air Nailers and sanders with no complaint.Can't say any thing about the modern units though.



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MikeCatthemuseum

08-11-2006 16:56:44




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
I have a 3 1/2hp oilless. Bought it used 14yrs ago. It's deafening (can hear it inside the house through the shop wall and the house wall with the shop 30yds away), but it has never failed (well, the pump hasn't.. pressure switch and regulator died but I scrounged replacements). I'd like to have something quieter, but I have run the dog doo out of this thing and can't complain. It runs my rattle wrench, die grinder, oiler on my big mill, airs tires. My cutoff wheel is really the only thing that will instantly bring it to its knees.

As for rated power vs real compressor HP, the motor rating in reality has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Al manufacturers now rate their compressors with the motor for one simple reason. The bigger the number, the more likely you are to buy it.

A 1hp compressor is 4CFM at 100psi. If the electric motor is a 3450rpm motor, you can count on about half the motor rating as the actual hp of the compressor. A bit less than rated if it has a 1725rpm motor. About 3 engine hp per compressor hp if it is gasoline powered. Oilless seem to be even less efficient than piston types. I think that lost efficiency must be converted into noise.

To this end, my 3 1/2hp is putting out about 8CFM at 90psi... less than 2hp. Now go down to Lowes or similar and have a look at that oilless 5hp 60 gal compressor. Big tank and a lot of plastic on a compressor that is maybe 3 actual hp.

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KEB

08-11-2006 15:03:10




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
As others have said, the oil-free ones are OK for occastional use. I have a 13 year old 3 horse (so they claim, anyway) DeVilbliss oil free unit & its just now starting to have problems. Had to fix one of the output valves, broken reed, and the piston/cylinder is getting worn to the point that putting the last 10-20 PSI in the tank takes for ever.

My biggest complaint is how noisy the oil free one is. Running in the garage you can hear it throughout the whole house. Recently replaced it with a used cast iron type compressor; got it cheap cuz the motor wouldn"t run, replaced a $9.00 capacitor & now it works perfectly. Amazed at how much quieter it is.

You might look at some of the new direct drive oil type units. I don"t have any actual experience with them, but they"re showing up at places like Sears & Wal-Mart and look like they"d be a good compromise between cost & durability.

Watch the horsepower ratings - compressors tend to be rated by peak (starting) horsepower rather than running horsepower. Takes 746 watts to produce one horsepower with no losses, figure at least 1000 watts/horsepower with any sort of reasonable losses in the motor. That means a two horse motor would draw 2000/120 or 16-2/3 amps, about the maximum allowed load for a 20 amp circuit. Anyone who claims you can run a 3 horse motor on a standard 120 volt circuit is blowing smoke or playing games with ratings.

Keith

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JGarner

08-11-2006 14:30:47




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
I too have had a Sears "oil less" compressor for about 7-8 years, don't use it to make my living with, but for ties, painting, running my pneumatic framing nailer it does a great job. Never seems to get too hot etc. If your not using it evey day to make your living and just for an around the garage item, can't beat em and usually the price is right and sometimes very good when Sears has a good sale. I have also made some very low cost purchases at their parts and repair stores on factory reconditioned item. May have a scratch or scuff on the outside but they are mechanically new.

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lucasss

08-11-2006 13:51:11




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
i have a 10 year old campbell housfeild 60 gallon tank single stage oil lube pump.its 220 volts. been fine for 10 years.used in the mower shop.run 3/8 and 1/2 impacts..i like the c/h oil bath cast iron pumps. lucas



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Slowpoke

08-11-2006 12:36:52




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
I keep a 12v TruckAir compressor in the truck. It's not as fast as an AC unit, but I can use it any place without AC power. I put 50psi in my rear pick up tires without problems, as it's supposed to go to 275psi although I have no way to test it that high. A new one is about $40. I used a cheapie compressor one time to fill an inflatable kid's pool, probably less than 10psi. The instructions said 5 minutes was the max run time. I forgot about it for 10-15 minutes, it stopped running and the case was melted.

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IH2444

08-11-2006 10:56:59




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 Re: light duty air compressor in reply to supergrumpy, 08-11-2006 10:08:12  
I have an old "3 HP" Craftsman oiless CH compressor. It was a gift from the wife, noisy as heck, but has been keeping on going for about 7 years now. I don't use it every day, but quite a bit. Even work the heck out of it sandblasting. Little sucker gets hot, but never shut down yet.
I run it on a 5500w genny sometimes too. It is 110v.

However with all that said, I sort of hope the noisy little thing quits so I can get a larger quieter compressor.

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