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Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!!

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John in Ct

08-06-2006 18:28:02




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What am I doing wrong? I have a 10 year old Drill Doctor I bought new and just left on my shelf. I finally watched the vcr tape and figured out how to use it. It makes my drill bits kind of flat and they don't drill at all. Any ideas?




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wdtom

08-13-2006 17:32:23




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
Probably what you did worng is buy a drill doctor. Get a drill point guage, and learn to sharpen them free hand on a grinder or belt sander. When you "get it" and are making even flutes with the correct relief, then stone them with a fine stone to put a final polish on the point, it will last longer and cut better if you spend about 30 seconds doing this. Clamp the drill point up gently in a vise and with a small stone just touch pu the point you have ground. The easiest way to learn is to get a 3/8 or 1/2" drill and with the grinder or belt sander off, hold it against the wheel or belt to see how to hold it at the right angle. You want the flute horizontal, and the shank end of the drill a little lower than the point, the angle you get by trying to grind the same angle that is on the point, and checking it against the drill point gauge. The gauge should read the same for each flute, in not gring the short flute just a little more. The closer you get both flutes to the same angle, length, and relief, the better and more accurately the drill will cut.

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redboy656

08-09-2006 20:11:29




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
I had one and I found it tobe a waste of money,but I might have been abuseing it or useing it improperly.



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Jon in MN

08-08-2006 10:32:53




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
I had no trouble with mine, worked fantastic right out of the box.
Unfortunatly the instructions were confusing and the original setup took maybe an hour, but now I can show someone how to use in a few seconds.
Dose the sharpening wheel look OK ?
Are you holding the chuck tight while sharpening ?
Correct setting 118 or 135 ?



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Ash

08-07-2006 19:00:37




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
I first seen the Drill Dr. used in the small engine shop I use to work at, it worked great for us. I liked using it enough that I bought one (model 750) for home. The main thing is getting the set up right at the start, I like the fact I can put a split point on my bits. Ash



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Harlen Larson

08-07-2006 16:21:12




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
I have a Drill Doctor 500 and had the same problem. I called the company and they sent me a new chuck saying the angles were wrong on a batch of them. There is an extreme difference from one chuck to the other. It works considerably better but I am still not very impressed with the thing.



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Animal

08-07-2006 12:35:31




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
Same thing happened to me I call the company they had me read the serial number to them they had me ship it back said their was a bad batch and I had one got the new one and its the greatest thing since sliced bread.....



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MikeCatthemuseum

08-07-2006 10:28:57




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
I have the $80 el cheapo Drill Dr at work. I had no luck at all with it the first time I used. I got a drill gage, learned to hand sharpen on the bench grinder and ignored it. Finally, I decided to see what the problem was. There was no problem, I was just misunderstanding and mis-using this little tool.

The Dr is a drill SHARPENER, not a drill GRINDER. If you have a bit that is severely dulled, burned up, chipped, broken off, or otherwise mangled, the Drill Dr is not going to solve your problems any more than a hone can take nail gouges out of the edge of a planer blade. Just like a damaged knife blade, you have to grind the bit back to life with a GRINDER. Once you have the proper shape established, the Drill Dr can put you a razor edge on the tip VERY quickly and effectively.

If you try to grind a totally new tip, there is nothing to keep the bit from backing out as it rotates. The result is no relief at the heel and the resultant rubbing. The bigger the bit, the worse this effect.

Now, having said that, you may have already figured out what the problem is, but just in case.... If you are getting no heel relief, there is a problem with the indexing process. Might be the machine, might be you. The jaws of the grabber on the side mounted index fixture are supposed to grab the space between the flutes, not the solid side of the flute. I leave the chuck loose until the bit is fuly bottomed and grabbed by the jaws, THEN tighten up the chuck very, very carefully. If that is right and it is still not giving proper relief, try turning the bit a few degrees either way when indexing until you start to see some positive results.

The Dr doesn't work well on very small bits either. As the bit gets smaller, the angles and alignment get more and more critical. I have found the practical limit of both my hand sharpening ability and the Dr to be about 3/16". Anything smaller than that, the drills are just to cheap and the process is just too tedious to be worth the trouble.

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R Bedell

08-07-2006 03:54:01




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
I have one and used it numerous times. Works GREAT. Saves hundreds of dollars on replacements.

The only thing that comes to my mind, is when you place the chuck into the side of the case, this accomplishes two things. (A) proper depth, and (B) proper angle.

You have to push the button on the opposite side of the case when placing the chuck in for the above, it will bottom out for the depth, then you have to rotate the bit until the dawgs inside grab the bit to align for proper angle.

One of the best tools I ever bought.

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Don L C

08-06-2006 23:50:44




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
Mine is about 4 years old....there was 2 models I bought the best one.....It does a great job..... .Don



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Mike in MI

08-06-2006 19:09:27




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
John,
Not sure what model you have? There should be a place on the drill doctor that you can adjust the settings for the angles marked on the grinder.
The angle you need to set it at should be 118 degree angle. Self centering drills are set at 130 Degree.
Good luck! Mike



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T.R.K.

08-06-2006 18:52:24




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to John in Ct, 08-06-2006 18:28:02  
Had a guy installing alarms at the warehouse I used to work in. His drill bit didn't drill well in wood and couldn't drill metal at all. I took the bit to a bench grinder and put an edge on the drill that was 100%better than what the drill doc could do.

The cutting angles were wrong. The cutting edge was actually lower than the back side of the surface behind it. so that surface drags on the material to be drilled and it doesn't cut. One way to tell if a bit will cut is to look directly at the point. There will be a line in the center where the 2 cutting edges intersect. If that line angles from lower left to upper right the bit will cut. if it angles from lower right to upper left, its sharpened wrond and the bit will not cut.

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mooger

08-06-2006 19:54:29




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to T.R.K., 08-06-2006 18:52:24  
I had the same problem with a Drill Doctor bought four or five years ago; don't remember the model number but it's the one that does up to 3/4" bits. In all of the settings, it ground the flute flat so that the cutting lip was actually lower than the trailing edge. The bits wouldn't drill, they just rubbed the metal real good.

I called the 800 number, explained the problem and the woman went thru the steps and ground a bit so I could hear what it was supposed to sound like. I was already doing that.

Her explanation didn't help any so I emailed the whole story and was sent a new chuck. It didn't change a thing.

I boxed it up along with a good drill bit bit that I'd unsharpened with the thing. I left the bit in the chuck and included a note explaining the problem again. The machine came back a few weeks later with a note saying they couldn't fix it because I didn't include one of their repair order forms.

I'd ruined about 20 bits by then and was wore slick so it's been on the shelf ever since.

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Slowpoke

08-07-2006 00:48:42




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to mooger, 08-06-2006 19:54:29  
What do you mean by "wore slick"? Are you interested in selling it?



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mooger

08-07-2006 06:33:43




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to Slowpoke, 08-07-2006 00:48:42  
Wore slick? It was way past time to cut my losses in time wasted trying to get it to work. It actually amounted to two long phone calls, two or three emails, boxing it up and taking it to the post office to send it back plus several hours grinding, tinkering, grinding, tinkering in between all that...maybe an 8-hour day total. I'd had enough and wasn't going to waste two more hours plus vehicle expenses to take it back.

In one sentence, the problem is: It won't grind proper relief. The provided settings don't allow for enough slope behind the cutting lips. Adjusting it way beyond the provided settings allowed it to grind a tiny bit of relief but not anywhere close to the proper shape of a good bit. The 'special' chuck they sent didn't change a thing.

Yeah, I'll sell it. What's it worth?

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oldrustycars

08-09-2006 15:03:56




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 Re: Drill Doctor makes my drill Bits worse!!!! in reply to mooger, 08-07-2006 06:33:43  
i have a DD750, as do most of my mechanic friends. works like a charm. i sharpened bits by hand for 30 years, never thought i'd buy a sharpener. this works great.



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