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O/T - water softener and water filter systems

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TomR Ont

08-01-2006 18:29:59




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Need some help with water softener and water filter systems.
I�m on a drilled well 55� deep, water is hard, but always tested good (12 years) until now, local health dept. say there is too much surface (organic) bacteria to test for the bad stuff.

Went to Home Depot and it can get pretty pricey when you don�t know what to buy they sell GE brand.
Then I went to one of those water stores, as close as I could get to a price from the sales guy ($2800 + install). It would be almost double Home Depot. They won�t know until they come out to see what I need. From my experience when someone wants to get their foot in your door to give you a price, it�s usually way too high, and with a bit of pressure they up sell you even more. Like he said, �their valves are the best, and the salt will eat up the best and the others�.
What system works well for you?
What should it cost ballpark, Thanks.

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nw_bearcat

08-04-2006 14:22:55




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 Re: O/T - water softener and water filter systems in reply to TomR Ont, 08-01-2006 18:29:59  
just been through all of this myself. we have a 600ft+ well that the water comes out looking like iced tea before treatment...we have bad water. We have a B&B chlorinator on the well head, a cistern to let the worst of the iron oxidize and settle out, then run it through a regenerating iron filter, and a softner in the house. there are alot of choices out there, our current system sells for about $2200, so expect to pay for good water. a kinetco is good but $$. I would really reccomend working through a pro to get the unit you need, you might spend some money and get something that doesn't work. we're currently on a rental plan for about $40/month...should be getting rural water soon, so i don't care to own a system at this point.

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jake4

08-02-2006 09:42:07




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 Re: O/T - water softener and water filter systems in reply to TomR Ont, 08-01-2006 18:29:59  
I rebuilt my Sears [GE] water softener with parts obtained on the net. It was easy also they had replacment resin material. Beats hell out of calling for service.



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Jimmy King

08-02-2006 08:46:28




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 Re: O/T - water softener and water filter systems in reply to TomR Ont, 08-01-2006 18:29:59  
Tom, I will get slamed for what I am going to say, but my well is 100 ft since 1971 it had two houses and a grade A dairy barn before that one house and dairy barn. It was tested every two years by the state milk board, and was always bad I would have to dump chlorine pellets it some times two or three times. I have not dairyed for 10 years so it hasn't been tested since. The well was drilled when I was very small 3 or 4 years old, I am almost 65 now. Nobody has gotten sick from drinking water out of it. I think we are too clean and we are getting resistent to antibodics. Now, it is very hard and I have had a softener on my house since I moved in it in 1987. The softener gave up about a year ago so I went to Sams Club in March 2006 and bought one it was a GE and I gave $400 for it, put it in myself, and it works fine.

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Jerry/MT

08-01-2006 22:06:45




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 Re: O/T - water softener and water filter systems in reply to TomR Ont, 08-01-2006 18:29:59  
A good filter and a UV treatment unit, appropriately sized, may solve your contamination problem in the short term, but you need to find out where the contamination is coming from and stop it.



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john *.?-!.* cub owner

08-01-2006 20:00:52




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 Re: O/T - water softener and water filter systems in reply to TomR Ont, 08-01-2006 18:29:59  
If you are gettign that kind of results, your well is not safe to use and should be condemed. the organic matter will be decayed plant and anmimla matter, inlcuding feces that have liquified and leached into well. Wells are now required to be cased at least 80 feet, or untill the casing hits solid rock to prenvent the contamination, not only of your water, but of everyone else's that gets their water from the same aquifer. You can kill the bacteria in the organic material by installing a chemical (chlorine) injector, but the material will still be their. I agree that a filter will not somlve your problem.

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Gerald J.

08-01-2006 19:30:23




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 Re: O/T - water softener and water filter systems in reply to TomR Ont, 08-01-2006 18:29:59  
If the health department says the well is getting too much surface contamination, they aren't likely to let you use the well. A water softener and filter won't clean it up. You need to first fix the well to keep out surface water and that may take a new well, at least a new well head with a sanitary connecction down below the frost line. Then the sanitarian can suggest adequate treatment. The well will probably receive a chlorine shock treatment to sanitize it an the water bearing strata after the surface contamination is fixed.

First thing you have to know is how hard the water is. And how much iron it has. Around here iron plugs the softener first. Then you can judge the ratings of grains of hardness vs water comsumption vs the water hardness to see which softener is adequate. Some do a far more efficient job of using salt, but cost 4 times that of a walmart special. Plumbing them isn't all that hard and isn't different, no matter the make and model and fanciness.

The brine does corrode the valves eventually, but sometimes they can be rebuilt a time or two, but then all the passages get so worn that the very worn softener will use three or four times the salt of a newer softener. The Kinetico is very good on salt and very expensive. I've not tried the Walmart special yet.

Gerald J.

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