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Pouring concret

07-31-2006 10:56:42




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I'm pouring a wall around the front of my porch using plywood forms. Is it safe to put a thick plastic, like maybe a bunker silo plastic on the inside of the forms so that it kind of smoothes out the rough edges and knots of the plywood? Will the plastic stick to the concrete?

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Ray M41

08-01-2006 13:57:25




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 Re: Is it safe to use plastic on inside of concret in reply to Pouring concrete guy, 07-31-2006 10:56:42  
We've done it many times down here. Makes a nice shiny finish. We use FORMICA though. The forms still have to be straight and true, and the FORMICA glued on with contact cement. Give the FORMICA a clean waxing and seal all corners with a small tooled bead of silicon sealant.



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Billy NY

08-01-2006 06:48:52




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 Re: Is it safe to use plastic on inside of concret in reply to Pouring concrete guy, 07-31-2006 10:56:42  
I've seen it done, but like was mentioned, wrinkles, form ties and other things may need to be considered whne doing this, you do need to have it stretched, and firmly applied to the form somehow.

I can suggest using a concrete vibrator, but make sure you are heavily braced ( depends on height ), use the correct amount of tie backs or whatever configuration you have to make the form strong, no overkill factor here few extra braces, tiebacks won't hurt. You want to use the concrete vibrator to settle the concrete, but not over do it, just hit an area once, quickly and move to the next. Once the first foot or 2 is in the form, run through and vibrate it, then place another foot or so, repeat, don't wait until the form is full and then plunge the vibrator down in, you will find the weak form as a lot of concrete will settle at once and create quite a bit of pressure against the formwork. Had a blowout on a form from this once, person directed me to stop and then use it after the form was full, yep, shovel it all out, fix form, re-place concrete, vibrate again carefully was not noticeable at all, but who needs the extra work, stone was covering the finish anyways, vibrating or even using a rod to pack and settle will help the finish and reduce voids on the surface. Smaller form, a few whacks on the side may help settle, I like the concrete vibrator the best, but use it cautiously, it works very quickly in a small form.


I agree the OSB board works fine, also you can get and use a pump spray container with the wand, to spray form release agent onto the face of the form, this helps avoid stuck form work, another thing I do when I don't have release agent is just soak the form with water, doing that does not allow the water in the concrete to be absorbed by the dry form or dry ground, seems to work well to keep things from sticking, OSB would be better to use release agent from your masonry supply house, soak it too much and it may swell, but wetting it down just before the pour may be all you need. Just a few thoughts here.

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Mike M

07-31-2006 20:02:50




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 Re: Is it safe to use plastic on inside of concret in reply to Pouring concrete guy, 07-31-2006 10:56:42  
I'd say your going to have one heck of a time with the air pockets. I'd use OSB instead of plywood. I have used this on my last few projects and it is great for forms ! It is porus so the weight of the concrete forces the air pockets out and this leaves a nice finish,just wood grained texture like the OSB. On walls to keep them from blowing out I use 1/4 or 5/16 allthread clear through the forms supported on the outside with 2x4 when done you just break off the allthread and leave it in the wall.

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VaTom

07-31-2006 17:24:53




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 Re: Is it safe to use plastic on inside of concret in reply to Pouring concrete guy, 07-31-2006 10:56:42  
PCG, no problem at all. I've done it several times with a variety of plastics. Falls off the concrete. Don't forget to leave the forms in place for a couple of days after pouring. Longer is usually better.

Even 6 mil plastic sheeting will work, but then you get Sid's wrinkle possibility if you don't get it stretched. Plus, plywood knots/grain will easily telegraph through. Does give an interesting texture.

I've place all sorts of texture material inside concrete forms. The concrete never complained.

Have fun.

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Sid

07-31-2006 15:32:16




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 Re: Is it safe to use plastic on inside of concret in reply to Pouring concrete guy, 07-31-2006 10:56:42  
If I understand your question right you want to build a form to pour a wall, then line it with plastic. You main question is it safe. I do not know of any safety issues that may be involved. But in my opinion (30 yrs construction) it is not practical. The slightest wrinkle will make a flaw in the finished product. The plastic will not stick to the concrete but if you have a wrinkle the plastic will be stuck in the concrete. You will have form ties to contend with and I can see no easy way to line a form with plastic and not have any wrinkles. We would spray,or use a paint roller ,the plywood with form oil(some would spray diesel oil) before building the forms. This might take two light coats, you want it to soak in not run off. We would spray the forms (a garden sprayer works fine) before we started to pour. The main reason for this is the oil helps keep the concrete from sticking to the form.This makes a neater looking finish and makes it easier to clean the forms. We would use a vibrator when pouring. You can use a rubber mallet on the outside of the form when pouring and accomplish the same thing if it is not a big job. A little rubbing and some grout depending on just what kind of finish you want.

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old

07-31-2006 11:21:36




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 Re: Is it safe to use plastic on inside of concret in reply to Pouring concrete guy, 07-31-2006 10:56:42  
Seen it done more then once, works well and even if it sticks in a year or less it will rot and fall off any how. Plstic and sun lite don't mix well and thats what causes it to sort of rot. You no now days they sell styform forms for doing that don't you. Does two things gives insulation and its also easy to put stucko etc on the out side of the form. Aslo the forms will not cost much if any more then the plywood/2X4 that you would need.

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IH2444

07-31-2006 13:51:00




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 Re: Is it safe to use plastic on inside of concret in reply to old, 07-31-2006 11:21:36  
Yes the foam forms cost about the same. But not if you consider using the form wood for something else after it is removed from the concrete.



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old

07-31-2006 14:08:14




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 Re: Is it safe to use plastic on inside of concret in reply to IH2444, 07-31-2006 13:51:00  
Well thats sort of a yes and no, if you figure the saveing in heat/cooling if it come in to play in the long run its cheaper. But if heating and cooling doesn't come in to play yes it could cost more because to don't have the plywood to use for something else



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