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Electrical problem with well pump

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Stan in Oly, WA

07-23-2006 11:01:31




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I'm selling a piece of property with a single wide trailer on it. About five years ago there was a problem with the well pump motor running too long, or not long enough (I can't remember) which my neighbor (a plumber) told me was the points. The property is a ninety minute drive away and nobody was using it so I closed it up and had the power turned off. Now a different neighbor wants to buy it, and I have to get the well working again.

While I was waiting for the utility company to reconnect the power (a surprisingly slow and expensive process) I removed the tee which held the points unit and a pressure gauge and brought them home. Everything was completely silted up, probably because the well had been used for only a few hours a year for the five years before I closed up the place.

Can anyone give me an idea about whether taking everything apart and cleaning thoroughly, which I've done, might correct the problem. Any other heads up on this situation would also be much appreciated. The property is thirty miles of back roads from the nearest town, so I'd like to be as prepared as I can when I go there to work on it.

I realize that the simplest solution would be to have the plumber neighbor fix it, but that's kind of a last resort for reasons that have nothing to do with cost.

Thanks, Stan

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Mark - IN.

07-24-2006 21:31:40




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 Re: Electrical problem with well pump in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-23-2006 11:01:31  
Stan, all of the above or below could be your problem. Having had wells all of my life, have been through them all. You've already taken the points and pressure switch off, and they are dirty, and you cleaned them, so that's one possibility. The water logged tank theory is common, and easy to resolve, add air to the tank so shuts off at about 60 lbs. Have had a pebble or such resting against the pipe under ground wear a hole through it, so have had to replace. Also, have had a well point/tip go bad, and had to replace that as well. Have also had the check valve go bad, and had to replace since is another way to lose prime.

Go for the pressure switch and tank pressure first since are the easiest to fix. A new switch is reletively cheap to replace too. If you do have to go after the pipe or well point, add a "T" with a cap between the pump and check valve so that you (the new owner) can open and use for priming during maintenance, if needed.

Mark

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Ozlander

07-23-2006 18:18:03




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 Re: Electrical problem with well pump in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-23-2006 11:01:31  
Could be the plumber meant the sand point was plugged up. That"s what would make the pump run to long. If so, need to replace it.



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Ozlander

07-23-2006 18:13:53




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 Re: Electrical problem with well pump in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-23-2006 11:01:31  
Could be the plumber meant the sand point was plugged up. That"s what would make the pump run to long. If so, need to replace it.



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Ozlander

07-23-2006 17:57:45




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 Re: Electrical problem with well pump in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-23-2006 11:01:31  
Could be the plumber meant the sand point was plugged up. That"s what would make the pump run to long. If so, need to replace it.



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benny2

07-23-2006 11:28:35




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 I had a problem like Re: Electrical problem with w in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-23-2006 11:01:31  
I had a problem like that running to long and often, including low pressure it was a hole rusted in the well pipe, exactly many holes. Seems that electrolises got to it. What ever you do DONT use any Korean pipe to replace it if it is I did and 2 years later it is rusting again. To help with the rusting problem and holes I put check valves every 40 ft instead of the recomened 60 ft. And installed a galvo block on the pipe. Pulling the well pipe is not easy. Also if you do put a stainless safty cable on your pump and bring to well top. A guy down the road had his pump drop to the bottom of the well and had to fish out what an effort that was cost some real dough.

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TimS

07-23-2006 11:20:38




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 Re: Electrical problem with well pump in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-23-2006 11:01:31  
I would go with the above suggestion, take a new pressure switch, a new set of points, that sort of thing...

Take back what you don't need once you get it going...or save them for spares.



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evielboweviel

07-23-2006 11:05:57




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 Re: Electrical problem with well pump in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-23-2006 11:01:31  
Buy a new pressure control unit
Ron



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Stan in Oly, WA

07-23-2006 12:05:27




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 Re: Electrical problem with well pump in reply to evielboweviel, 07-23-2006 11:05:57  
Hi Ron,

I bought a new pump motor controller unit (has a capacitor, etc. in it) because I thought that's where the points were located. I still have it in case that turns out to be bad too. But that's a purely electrical unit. The pressure control unit you're talking about is the Square D box where the points are, right? That's what I took home and cleaned. What you say and TimS say makes sense---take more than I might need to the job, rather than less.

Thanks, Stan

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David - OR

07-23-2006 15:34:25




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 Re: Electrical problem with well pump in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-23-2006 12:05:27  
The most common problem relating to pump run time is that the pressure tank is waterlogged. This can happen if it is a bladder tank with a ruptured bladder, or a non-bladder tank without a correctly working snifter valve.

Without air in the pressure tank, the pump turns on, the pressure immediately skyrockets, and the pump turns off. Then the pressure immediately drops with usage, and the pump cycles again.

Besides creating poor, almost unusable surging water pressure, this two to three second cylcing state of affairs can create further damage in two areas: 1) The pressure switch keeps opening and closing, and the arcing wears out the points 2) The pump overheats due to the constant start up loads. A submersible pump should run for 1 to 2 minutes per start, depending on the horsepower rating.

Usually pressure switches that go bad fail in a "stuck open" or "stuck closed" mode. In the stuck open case, the pump never comes on (no water) In the "stuck closed" case, the pump never shuts off -- and the resulting too high pressure blows out something in the system.

Beyond that, the pressure switch springs can be adjusted for "cut-in" and "cut-out" pressure. Provided the air charge in the pressure tank is appropriately adjusted, and providing the tank is big enough, and providing the pump is sized correctly, you can adjust the pressure range to whatever you like.

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