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OT/ ??? on cheater slicks

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wh604

07-20-2006 04:17:37




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i just picked up a used pair of 15" cheater slicks for my mustang. do i need to put tubes in theese??. my guess would be ill run high 12's in the 1/4 mile. i just wanted to know if any of you'all would know about the tube's??..thanks




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davpal

07-22-2006 16:50:46




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 Re: OT/ ??? on cheater slicks in reply to wh604, 07-20-2006 04:17:37  
We have a done a lot of drag racing over the years, I have two mustangs, a 1969 mach 1 and a 1986 5.0 and they both run 11 second quarters on slicks. The cheater slicks you are talking about are the first set I ever tried about 15 years ago. They will work very good for you. Most of them were made in the late 60's and early 70's though so they can be pretty old and weatherchecked so be careful. It probably is a good Idea to use screws in the beads to keep the tires from slipping on the rims, especially if you have a 4 speed car. I have never really slipped them before and I have mine screwed on but have ran them without screws before. My cars run 1.59 to 1.65 sixty foot times. You will have to run tubes in them if you want to go to the track and not have a flat. The drag tubes are very heavy rubber and cost around $45 dollars a piece. Very expensive. I did learn a trick from our tire store though and you can get by using "radial tire tubes" in your drag slicks. They only cost about $7 dollar each and will flex much more than a bias tube allowing you to use them in the slicks. I did it for years and had good luck with it. You will like the slicks, I can remember my 69 was running high 14's on street tires and the first pass on the slicks with a converter and 3.70 gears was a 13.50. I was hooked after that and had fun with it for years. Good luck, have fun.

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Eric Rylander

07-22-2006 11:50:58




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 Re: OT/ ??? on cheater slicks in reply to wh604, 07-20-2006 04:17:37  
Describe what you mean by "cheater slicks"

Are they a DOT approved drag tire? Are they radials, such as the BFG Drag Radial, or are they bias plies, such as the Mickey Thompson ET Streets? Tubes to my knolage are not needed with them.

I have some drag radials I got used that are tubeless, they (the radials) have a stiff enough sidewall that you can drive them on the street. I also have a pair of true wrinkle walls in a pair of 28X9X15 Mickey Thompson ET Drags, they are track only and have a VERY soft sidewall. TUbes are advised with them but I don't run them. The tires do bleed air out the sidewalls and will go flat in a few days in the garage.

I would go to the website of the manufacturer of the tires you have (they all have websites these days) and look as to what they reccomend.

Also, ask fellow racers what tire pressure they reccomend starting at and working with- keep in mind every car, suspension setup etc. is different. It took me about 40 passes to get my technique down, from how much of a burnout, to what RPM to launch at (and I have one automatic I run and one stick) before I got it right. Keep your timeslips, note things like launch RPM, and importantly the ambient temparature and humidity, they all come into play. Doing this, you can go back and see improvements, or if your MPH or ET get worse, look back and see what you did differently that DIDN'T work.

CHANGE ONLY ONE THING AT A TIME! In other words, don't make a pass, feel you spun too much, drop the tire pressure, but then also change your timing and burnout technique. If your 60' improves, how will know what change did it?

Also, once you have slicks, you may need to change things like your pinion angle of your rear axle to optimize things.

It's a disease- but it's fun. I have had more fun with a $1700 '88 Z28 with nearly 200,000 miles on a 305TPI by doing "free mods" and not touching the long block than other people I know with trailered racecars with lots of money tied up in 'em. Some Ebay headers, a simple cutout after the headers, bumping the timing, some die grinder work on the intake manifold and runners, cutting the baffles out of the air filter box took me from mid 15's to low 14's, and it still has working AC, power windows, and 3.08 gears.

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bradk

07-20-2006 20:34:22




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 Re: OT/ ??? on cheater slicks in reply to wh604, 07-20-2006 04:17:37  
You need special drag slick tubes for slicks or cheaters.
The others are right,you should screw around the bead. ~brad



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dr.sportster

07-20-2006 13:52:06




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 Re: OT/ ??? on cheater slicks in reply to wh604, 07-20-2006 04:17:37  
If you run tubless you must have metal screw in valve stems.You will need a rulbook because there are many rules for different classes.Some classes require all four tires must be the same manufacturer.Which you now probably dont have.Its no fun going all the way to the track and failing.On bikes tires were screwed to rim with points removed from screw and Goodyear all natural rubber tubes.Thats not the latest info either.

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Tim Casbolt

07-20-2006 18:16:52




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 Re: OT/ ??? on cheater slicks in reply to dr.sportster, 07-20-2006 13:52:06  
keeping your tires the same brand has to do with contingency money at national and divisional events. would not apply to someone heading down to the local digs for a little bracket racing. most racers are running tubeless nowadays to cut down on unsprung weight. they usually leak a little, but not enough to notice during the course of a day.



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Buzzman72

07-20-2006 06:16:46




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 Re: OT/ ??? on cheater slicks in reply to wh604, 07-20-2006 04:17:37  
Under certain traction conditions, slicks have been known to "walk" around the bead of the wheel. Racers--at least back in the '70's when I was still paying attention to drag racing--"solved" this by using screws through the bead area of the rim into the bead area of the tire. Now, this would make sealing the bead--a/k/a tubeless mounting ot tires--an iffy proposition, especially if the tire has been removed from the rim and remounted...because the "old" screw holes in the bead might interfere with proper sealing. So "back in the day," slicks used tubes.

Modern practice may have changed...so you might call the "tech line" at some place like Summit Racing or Jeg's to get the BEST answer, since these folks sell slicks and all the stuff that goes with 'em, on a daily basis.

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