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Jim- DR

07-16-2006 13:39:24




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My wife is on her way home from out of town and the car is overheating. Should she turn the air off. or leave it on? It is very a very frustrating problem. I"ve had in to the dealer twice and he cant seem to find the problem. It"s a 2000 Toyoto Avalon.




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davpal

07-16-2006 21:59:02




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Jim- DR, 07-16-2006 13:39:24  
Is the thermostat stuck closed? Can be a real bummer when they start doing it. Let the car cool off, start it up, let it start warming up and feel the hose on the front and backside of the thermostat to see it is letting water through to the radiator. good luck.



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buickanddeere

07-16-2006 20:45:35




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Jim- DR, 07-16-2006 13:39:24  
Cruising along or riding the brake pedal in bumper to bumper traffic with the AC on? Too strong a mix of anti-freeze will reduce the coolant's ability to carry heat.



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Vern-MI

07-16-2006 17:12:19




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Jim- DR, 07-16-2006 13:39:24  
It should not be driven with an overheat condition as it has the possibility of ruining an otherwise good engine.

The air conditioning should be turned off to alleviate adding additional hot air from the A/C condensor to the radiator. The car heater should be turned on to act as an additional radiator and assist the one behind the grill.

Is it really overheating or is it indicating an overheating condition? If it is indicating an overheat condition it could just be an engine temperature sensor or an engine coolant temperature sensor that has gone bad. Those are easy to replace and cheap also.

If blowing coolant and thumping it is definitely overheating and should not be driven. If it is indeed overheating then it could be low coolant, thermostat failed closed, water pump not delivering, a lean fuel condition, or radiator partially plugged.

Since the sensors are cheap and easy to replace I think I would change those first. Once that has been done then you can depend on the system to give you an accurate reading. If the indication is that the system is still obverheating then you can begin checking the radiator for partially plugged cross flow tubes. You do this after driving and then with the engine off by feeling the back side of the radiator and identifying any cool spots. The entire surface should be warm to the touch without any cool spots. Cool spots indicate a plugged tube and a no flow condition.

Next move on to the thermostat and change it along with the antifreeze solution. If still overheating then I would suspect the waterpump. After that I would suspect a lean fuel condition brought on by partially plugged injectors or bad Oxygen sensors, or low fuel pressure.

What repair action has the Toyota dealer already done? Has it been throwing any DTC's, Digital Trouble Codes? Have you serviced the antifreeze at least every three years and generally kept the system maintained?

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Allow me

07-16-2006 16:30:19




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Jim- DR, 07-16-2006 13:39:24  
to vent some steam... according to the media foreign cars never have any problems, next thing perfect, 99.999% customer satisfaction. Thanks, I got that off my chest. I have a '97 Dodge Caravan that recently overheated (briefly) while sitting in traffic with the air on, on a hot day. I instantly turned off the air. With the air off and moving it was okay. I was advised to change the fan motor relay- my mechanic son-in-law showed me where it is- the fans weren't kicking in. Your situation is different if the car was moving and overheated. It's strange your dealer had two strikes and didn't find the problem. Good luck, (sawtooth)

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

07-18-2006 19:38:57




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Allow me, 07-16-2006 16:30:19  
My wife's Toyota RAV4 overheated and warped the head while I was using it to tow a small trailer. The cause? An aftermarket block heater I didn't know about corroded and fell out, dumping the coolant. I wasn't alert enough to heed the light on the dash until it stalled.

A tedious repair, but hardly the car's fault.



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WvaJim

07-16-2006 16:08:11




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Jim- DR, 07-16-2006 13:39:24  
I know its not what you want to hear, but if the car is overheating bad, consider towing it home, thats a pricey engine to have to replace a head on at the least and at the worst an engine.



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Gerald J.

07-16-2006 14:05:02




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Jim- DR, 07-16-2006 13:39:24  
Turn the air conditioning off, but the heater full on. Open all the windows. Adding the heater core helps cool the engine.

Gerald J.



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Hal/WA

07-16-2006 17:51:58




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Gerald J., 07-16-2006 14:05:02  
I agree, but if you don't immediately get extremely hot air from the heater, then the problem is probably a coolant pump that isn't pumping. This could be caused by a belt coming off the water pump pulley, or the pump impeller coming off the shaft, or the shaft siezing in the bearing.

For any of those problems, you are not going to go very far before the non-circulating coolant boils and it starts coming out of there violently. If you drive it any distance at all, you will probably cook and maybe even kill the engine. Warped heads and decks and all sorts of expensive problems.

The only safe thing to do is to pull over to a safe location along the road and out of the traffic lane ASAP. And hope for the best. Good luck!

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Kmiller

07-16-2006 14:02:03




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Jim- DR, 07-16-2006 13:39:24  
Oops, I see it's a 2000 Toyota. One other thing you can do is to leave the heater on. It's pretty unbearable this time of year but ok if you keep the windows down. The heater works like a small radiator so as long as it's got water in it, it can help you cool down the car.

Good luck!
Kerry



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Kmiller

07-16-2006 13:44:40




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Jim- DR, 07-16-2006 13:39:24  
Definitely leave the air off. It puts a load on the engine, making it hotter, and it also has a coil in front of the radiator that heats up the air before it gets to the radiator.

How old is the car? Has she checked the water in the radiator?

Kerry



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Guisto

07-17-2006 11:39:20




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 Re: OT car overheating in reply to Kmiller, 07-16-2006 13:44:40  
Take it to another dealer, especially if it's warrantied.

Or just run it till it spews and have it towed in.

I'd bet they'd find the issue before the next motor fried.



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