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OT elm trees in poor health

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railhead

07-10-2006 19:40:03




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My Elms have been in poor health with falling leaves and now nearly transparent leaves. I have noticed 1/4 inch yellow and brown striped worms on them. I sprayed them two weeks ago when I noticed the leaves were turning and many many of the worms have deceased but I dug and found a few more yest. Sprayed again today. Does anybody have any advice how to save these trees? I know if it is the dutch elm disease there is little hope but I would LOVE to hear any success stories of saving trees. All the old timers told me initialy that the drought was the cause but I have nearly went broke in the past watering these trees. I NEED THEM, If they die, my cooling bill will triple. TIA.

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Midwest redneck

07-11-2006 02:10:27




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 Re: OT elm trees in poor health in reply to railhead, 07-10-2006 19:40:03  
Dutch Elm disease sucks. I have many elms that are dead from the fungus. The only thing that you could do is spray the trees with insecticide, dont know if it will do any good. (do a search on the net) The elm trees that are in my mini forest have all the bark gone and are just a barren trunk and all will have to be cut down and used for firewood or put through a chipper.



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Billy NY

07-10-2006 21:53:36




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 Re: OT elm trees in poor health in reply to railhead, 07-10-2006 19:40:03  
I curse at dutch elm, the tree happens to be a favorite and symbolic of what I consider to be a rare beauty in the species of trees we have.

Dutch elm is a fungus caused and or spread by a beetle or insect, I forget, think it's a beetle.

The first sign is flagging, a branch turns yellow up top, then the leaves start to die and turn brown. Once flagged, it's a 50/50 chance to save it by injecting the fungicide you can get from the dutch elm research institute. You drill holes around the base, insert the harness tips connected to a hose, that comes from a tank you pressurize and fill with the fungicide solution, it injects the tree and prevents it from getting the disease, I'm not sure how often the treatment will work and if re-treating is necessary, I did a big one on our property, it sucked up 50 gallons easily, but it was too late, already flagged and it died. It was a childhood favorite, I did my best to save it.

What happens is the fungus plugs the structure ( whatever you call it ) that allows water to travel up into the tree, so it starves for water and dies.

If you can trim the effected areas away and beyond, and inject, you might be able to save it from DED, it's a tall order, and the fungicide is expensive, I did not care, would have regretted not trying, now if you inject before it gets infected, it should make the tree immune, for how long I forget.

Once a tree gets it and is doomed, best to cut it down, de-bark and or burn it, I think the beetle lives under the bark, so getting rid of the affected trees helps prevent the spread.'


Do a search for the elm research institute, they offer an immune species to plant, but they don't seem to look exactly the same as the indigenous towering elms with the splendid canopy like I've always marveled at, they are one of the most beautiful trees to look at, especially the old ones, there is not one left here and we had some really old ones, DED has ruined many streets that were lined with elms, one of those things, and of course it came over from a ship. The indigenous species ULMUS AMERICANA is the one affected by DED, the one the elm research institute offers for planting is there Liberty Elm if I recall correctly and is immune.

Hopefully you have another problem, and not DED, but you should do a search, it's sad to see old majestic trees like these turn brown and wither up, our area has been hit hard by this, but they still grow and reproduce, just don't make it to old age, I don't think there will be any old ones left, I always stop and take photos of any old ones I see.

There is a way to determine if it has DED, you should check here:

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Charles (in GA)

07-11-2006 06:54:53




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 Re: OT elm trees in poor health in reply to Billy NY, 07-10-2006 21:53:36  
I've heard of Dutch Elm Disease but never really knew what it was or how it killed a tree. Good explination, thanks.

Charles



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buickanddeere

07-11-2006 15:19:36




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 new pest Re: OT elm trees in poor health, widow ma in reply to Charles (in GA), 07-11-2006 06:54:53  
Worse yet some kind of Chinese ash boring beetle has landed here in crating material from China. Looks like the end of our ash and other trees here. Elms seem to grow in cycles or there will be one survivor out alone somewhere. I hope somebody finds a natural North American tree that has natural resistance. And uses it for breeding new real North American stock. No problem finding weeds and insects that survive what is supposed to be a lethal dose. And they go on to multiply. Elm tree seem to be some of the toughest to split and the most dangerous to cut down. Those limbs that stayed on during a storm, will drop on you with amazing accuracy. As soon as you touch the chainsaw to the tree.

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Billy NY

07-11-2006 19:46:44




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 Re: new pest Re: OT elm trees in poor health, wido in reply to buickanddeere, 07-11-2006 15:19:36  
I hear that, I've got some widow makers here to deal with, but I've stayed the heck away from them, funny how a few good size limbs break off in a storm, and others stay, waiting for the guy with a saw, lot of wood to entice you, burns real hot and long I think, but you best be careful when taking one down that's been dead awhile.

Elm Research Institute has bred from 6 trees in the 60's 70's that survived the DED and offer identical species that is immune to the DED disease, for planting.

Yeah, another plus from where all junk is manufactured today, it's a sour subject, and then the crap they sell us, the packaging material has beetles that kills our trees, just great, isn't it ?

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buickanddeere

07-11-2006 21:16:43




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 Re: new pest Re: OT elm trees in poor health, wido in reply to Billy NY, 07-11-2006 19:46:44  
Awsome news somebody found some North American elms that are resistant. I'm going to follow that topic up. I've been choppiung/spraying down dead/dying elms here trying to save the healthy ones. Elm Wood is awful hard on saw chains and wood splitters. Almost as bad as thorns or iron wood. There is a 60ft beauty in plain view 75 yards from my house. In beauty it's the tree equivalent of an over developed super model.

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Billy NY

07-11-2006 21:32:52




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 Re: new pest Re: OT elm trees in poor health, wido in reply to buickanddeere, 07-11-2006 21:16:43  
I've studied them, I swear you can see the genetics in the offspring, the big one I lost left a sibling nearby, similar shape like the big one, the canopy on these can be a work of art, I've had an appreciation for them since a kid.

Not that they found, they developed the immune tree, and it's an American species 100%, I think it more closely resembles the shorter, more heavily limbed variety, not the thin towering broad canopy kind I enjoy so much, but either or, they are a splendid tree nonetheless. Check the link I posted, it should be of interest, I bought the injection equipment 7 years ago from them.

I've not had too much trouble cutting them up, I keep my saw sharp, once they dry you can split them a lot easier, if the bark falls off, I let em stand and dry unitl I can get to them, if not, I cut them and burn em asap.

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