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streaker

07-05-2006 15:02:41




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What is the best practice for keeping coyotes out of sheep? Any of you folks have any good suggestions? We do have high tensile fencing now. We live in Pennsylvania. Thanks!




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JMRB

07-09-2006 06:14:56




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
What is the best way to hunt the coyotes? I have heard that you can buy distressed rabbit calls and sit out at night with a spot light waiting for them to show up. We have coyotes, but I have never found the den, or seen them when I was looking for them.



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IaGary

07-09-2006 13:17:40




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to JMRB, 07-09-2006 06:14:56  
We have our best luck hunting with a group during early daylite hours.

We drive around the area on the roads and try to spot coyotes.

When we find one we all come to that section and surround it.

We know the area well enough and done thus enough years that we know the likly escape routes.

We sneek guys into the escape areas on foot and the others try to drive the coyotes toward them.

Most times the coyote will circle and leave the section the way he came in if he suppects no one is waiting for him.

We use 2way radios to keep each other informed of where he is and where he is heading.

Doesn't always work but we get alot of them this way.

The last two winters we have gotten 29 or 30 total within 3 miles of my house. Gary

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DJM75

07-09-2006 05:51:06




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
A few goats will do it.



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Leland

07-08-2006 21:13:20




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
find a mule or jack a ss they will kill them on site there have been pictures of them posted doing so



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Tim Shultz

07-07-2006 15:31:59




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
22-250 at three hundred yards works wonders.. or for a bit more bang, a 30-06.. make sure you kill them out-right.. blew a leg off of one and three weeks later he was back in the goats pen with three legs.. didn't get away that time..
Tim Shultz



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IaGary

07-07-2006 15:38:44




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to Tim Shultz, 07-07-2006 15:31:59  
Tim 22-250 is what I use.

Were pretty open around here.

I can hit them better at 400 to 500 yards sitting still than at 100 yards when there on the move.

Gary



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IaGary

07-07-2006 08:06:04




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 Sure way to stop coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
third party image

This is how we stop the pests.



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Stan in Oly, WA

07-07-2006 08:26:35




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 Re: Sure way to stop coyotes in reply to IaGary, 07-07-2006 08:06:04  
Hi Gary,

Actually, the HOW is what the picture specifically fails to make clear. Good picture, though.

All the best, Stan



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IaGary

07-07-2006 14:10:50




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 Re: Sure way to stop coyotes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-07-2006 08:26:35  
How we stop the varments is by shooting them.



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Stan in Oly, WA

07-07-2006 14:58:56




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 Re: Sure way to stop coyotes in reply to IaGary, 07-07-2006 14:10:50  
Looks effective. Any major restrictions on what you can use to shoot coyotes there? Isn't it Iowa that requires the use of shotguns for deer hunting because there's virtually no unused land, or am I thinking of somewhere else?

Which of the people in the picture is you?

All the best, Stan



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iaGary

07-07-2006 15:24:26




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 Re: Sure way to stop coyotes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 07-07-2006 14:58:56  
Stan

The DNR does not care for the coyotes also.

They kill to many small game animals and birds.

For that reason they allow us to use 2 way radios,trucks and rifles to shoot them. And continuous open season.

The reason for shotguns during deer season is because there are so many hunters and houses they don't want the bullets to travel so far.

Oh and for which one am I. That would be the good looking one. Or the far right if you can't tell.Lol

Gary

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TX

07-07-2006 05:44:48




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
You may be having more trouble with loose dogs than the coyotes. If you find the problem is neighbors letting their dogs run loose, then whatever you do, don"t say a word about the dogs. If you say anything to anyone, then you can"t get rid of them. Best thing to do is what we in Texas call the 3 S method: Shoot Shovel and Shut Up.



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Bill in Colo

07-06-2006 10:00:49




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
Here in the west we use about ever method known to man some legal some not. Airial gunning,trapping and shoot on site will help the Guard dogs out.. I don't think there is a commerial sheep outfit without guard dogs! One large operator told me he spends more to feed the dogs than the herders. He has about 60 dogs and 10,000 sheep.



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davpal

07-06-2006 09:06:27




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
Sounds like a saturday morning cartoon. You will need a lot of Acme blasting products I think!



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ScottP

07-06-2006 08:32:47




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
Streaker
Get yourself some livestock guard dogs. You have to use them in pairs. Coyotes will wear out a single and then have some woolly lunch. Where we are the coyotes don't bother the sheep. We haven't trained them either, we bury the dead sheep. Coyotes don't have a taste for them. Mountian lions on the other hand are our problem. They get in the pen and just start killing.
We have had Anitolian's and Chars and the dogs the KGB used to use, now we have Maremmas'. They are big white dogs that take on the color of the dirt in the area the live. Helps them to hide in the grass.
I would shy away from the Great Pyrenese, they are prone to hip problems. Another thing about livestock guard dogs is they will bark all night long if there are coyotes around. I have heard from a couple of people that they write off the cost of the dogs and their food on their taxs'. I haven't looked into that.
Google livestock guard dog there are a lot of them out there. Whenever I have been looking for them they have all been on your end of the country.
Scott

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super99

07-06-2006 04:01:25




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
Had a neighbor that kept sheep in with electric fence. He said to put them in right after shearing and they will leave it alone. I asked him what he did about coyote's? He said that they are like dogs, once they get bit, they won't come back. Guy across fence had goats and llama with sheep and still lost some. Chris



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Rockyhawaii

07-05-2006 22:54:46




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
I'd agree with the Llamas. I was recently in Arizona and saw quite a few of them being used to protect stock.



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Hal/WA

07-05-2006 20:47:57




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
I think it would be more of a problem keeping sheep out of coyotes. Very few sheep will eat coyote! Humor...

Seriously, if your state will let you hunt them, shooting or shooting at coyotes is the only way to really keep them afraid and away from you. There are lots more coyotes than needed in my country, and I shoot at them every chance I get. They are not the easiest target though.

There used to be devices that used a shotgun shell that a coyote would set off when it tried to take bait, and that would blow the coyote's head off. I think they were called "coyote getters", but they may not be legal or available anymore. If you use them, make sure your insurance is paid up, you could get the wrong animal.

Is there any money in raising sheep anymore? Other than a few raised for 4-H and FFA, I don't think there are any around here anymore. 30 years ago, we used to see flocks of sheep working the poorer pasture areas in my state, but I don't think I have seen a flock of any size for many years.

Good luck!

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Larry in MO

07-05-2006 19:25:43




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
A neighbor of mine was losing sheep, and had two lamas. They didn't work. Kept losing sheep. Late last fall he bought two great pyrenees[something like that] pups, and they grew up with the sheep. Hasn't lost a single sheep this year, and has found dead coyotes in the pasture partially eaten. Sounds like they do the job.



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Matt from CT

07-06-2006 17:22:09




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to Larry in MO, 07-05-2006 19:25:43  
Has to be 1 Female Llamma.

Two Llamma bond with each other and could give a darn about the sheep.

One female Llamma bonds with the sheep and wants to protect her "pack"

One male Llamma hits puberty, and well, y'all were in high school what the one thing on his mind becomes. Sheep are white, wooly, and four-legged which is good enough for a Llamma with "beer googles" on :)



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old

07-05-2006 21:19:44




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to Larry in MO, 07-05-2006 19:25:43  
Yep them dogs like that and you have the name right work also. I have a friend with goats and has those dogs with them and he has no problems with the varmints, but he also has 5 or 6 of them



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KIP in MX

07-05-2006 16:35:52




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
Hunting and traps. We used to have 300 head of sheep and had to pen them at night if coyotes were around and when lambing. Of course, penning them is a an invitation to a slaughter if you have "domestic" coyotes running loose in your area. Best thing is to get rid of them, too.



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Wild Bill

07-05-2006 15:13:10




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
Burros work great too, those things will tear a coyote up with there front hoofs.



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streaker

07-05-2006 18:33:18




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to Wild Bill, 07-05-2006 15:13:10  
We already use a donkey, but we are still having problems. We'll keep trying different ideas, thanks alot for your help! Please keep adding replies if you have any other ideas.



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old

07-05-2006 15:06:47




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to streaker, 07-05-2006 15:02:41  
Get a couple lamas and the coyotes will go bye bye or die either one I think would work for you.



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Lloyd Llama

07-05-2006 15:29:52




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to old, 07-05-2006 15:06:47  
That's my job... along with Leonard and Laura - we guard the sheep! Got quite a scare the other night, boss says that screaming growl was a cougar. Next nite friend of boss says he almost hit it with the car. Donno if I want to take on a cougar!



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TimS

07-05-2006 19:31:57




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 Re: O/T Coyotes in reply to Lloyd Llama, 07-05-2006 15:29:52  
I heard great pyrenese and other livestock guard dogs work great, I haven"t tried any personally.



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