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RegoR

07-05-2006 08:49:29




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Looking for some ideas/solutions.
I've got a dozen or so gas cans (plastic & metal) that are used to feed the ever-growing engine population around the place. I've stored them in different locations over the years trying to find a place that's both convenient and away from the shop. Being in wildfire territory, I'd like to hear from others on what you've found to be the safest way to store gas.
Thanks guys,

Roger

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buickanddeere

07-05-2006 12:47:27




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 Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to RegoR, 07-05-2006 08:49:29  
I use a HD version of those office storage cabinets. I finally got the water working in the shed but the heat activated sprinkler heads are still waiting in thier box. Some of the cheapest and most effective fire control you can purchase. I have 1/2 of the house plumbed with them and more to go.



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ScottP

07-06-2006 11:40:51




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 Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to buickanddeere, 07-05-2006 12:47:27  
B&D
I hope your not plumbing your fire system with pvc pipe. Neighbor had a new house buildt, looked like it was furnished from a Cabelas catalog. County made him install sprinkler heads. Sprinkler company used fire rated pvc. Neighbor questioned them about using pvc. NO PROBLEM he was told as long as theres water in the pipe it wont melt. Long story short fire started five feet from main feed into house, melted pipe in half, house burnt to the ground. Water was still running out what was left of the pipe when fire department arrived.
Scott

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Matt from CT

07-06-2006 17:31:41




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 Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to ScottP, 07-06-2006 11:40:51  
Interesting story on the melting PVC!

There is a class of residential sprinklers called 13-D Multipurpose.

The residential water supply flows through the same plumbing as the sprinklers. They flexible tubing like used in radiant heating -- each head has four supplies to it.

Link to a main manufacturer below:
Supposedly provides excellent water pressure to sinks and showers since each is also fed by multiple lines.

HOWEVER...

I can see how that system certainly depends on the protection of sheetrock or similiar barrier to protect it from direct flame.

And I guess that's the lesson for the PVC feed -- if the piping isn't protected, use metal or protect it with a heat shield of some sort.

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buickanddeere

07-06-2006 13:07:37




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 Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to ScottP, 07-06-2006 11:40:51  
No lead soldered copper, smallest is 3/4" dia. All gate valves or ball valves. Handles drilled and HD tie-wrapped in the open position.



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bjr

07-05-2006 12:23:42




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 dry chemical extingishers in reply to RegoR, 07-05-2006 08:49:29  
Is there a way a guy can refill his own 5-10 lbs extingushers with dry chem.? I need to fill some that the test code is out dated. I think old is better than none at all I don't have the money to get new and want be able to refill my own. bjr



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Glen in TX

07-07-2006 09:43:04




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 Re: dry chemical extingishers in reply to bjr, 07-05-2006 12:23:42  
Yes, leave the testing and refilling to the pros. You can periodically tap the canister with a rubber mallet to loosen the powder inside and shake it around some also. The powder eventually cakes and settles hard and when you need it and extinguisher will either plug or all the CO2 will come out first. Money is better spent on the refillable ones with metal valves than the cheap ones. Plastic gets old on those cheap ones and they are a throw away item.

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Matt from CT

07-07-2006 14:23:23




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 Re: dry chemical extingishers in reply to Glen in TX, 07-07-2006 09:43:04  
They're filled with Nitrogen to reduce the moisture problems (as opposed, say, to air).



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John S-B

07-05-2006 13:33:34




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 Re: dry chemical extingishers in reply to bjr, 07-05-2006 12:23:42  
Leave the filling to a pro. You cannot refill an extinguisher with a plastic top, they're disposable. Cylinders need to be hydrostatically tested periodically, The cost of testing equip. makes refilling impractical.



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Matt from CT

07-05-2006 10:36:12




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 Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to RegoR, 07-05-2006 08:49:29  
I'll put the generic FireWise link below -- many state forestry (fire) agencies have their own FireWise programs customized to local conditions.

It's a good site on general maintenance & clearance items.

I like the idea of a simple metal yard shed. Kept in an area it's mowed around so you don't have much if anything to burn around it. Also make sure you close off the bottom with chicken wire or lattice work or something similiar to keep dry leaves and pine needles from building up under the building. That's lost people several sheds in my town over the years when a simple grass fire or an ember from burning garbage spread to the nice dry fuel under the shed.

In college when I worked for the State Parks, our flammables (even lubricating oil) where all bulk-stored in a seperate, masonry building about 100' from the nearest structure. But that, IMHO, is probably over-kill for the average homeowner. I guess if I'm a farmer or big time hobbyist buying fuel into 275 gallon tanks, and having 55 gallon drums of oil like the State did, it might make more sense!

And make sure you locate it so it's downhill of buildings you care about -- so if a plastic gas / diesel / kerosene container melts, it doesn't make a flowing stream of gasoline across your driveway and into your garage :)

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JT

07-05-2006 09:07:46




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 Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to RegoR, 07-05-2006 08:49:29  
Spend about 400 plus dollars and buy a firproof gas containment cabinet to put your gas cans in. You can get them to store differant amounts of gas, depending on how much you need to have around at any one time. They are locking and at the price of fuel, they are also kinda like a safe for your gas at $15.00 per 5 gallon.



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John S-B

07-05-2006 09:40:25




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 Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to JT, 07-05-2006 09:07:46  
That's always a good idea if you can afford it. Another good way is to use one of those cheap patio storage units to store it outside. I have mine against the shed we use for the kids bikes and lawn chairs, neither has any power or ignition sources.



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JT

07-07-2006 12:15:09




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 Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to John S-B, 07-05-2006 09:40:25  
To me $400.00 is cheap compared to loosing your home, your kids pictures, possibly family memebers, and a lot of memeories. The only pictures I have left of my kids is what my mom & dad had and a few that did not burn in the fire. My fire was not caused by gas, but I have lost everything I own to a fire and if I had to store gas, close to my home, it would be in a fire proof containment system, I would not take a chance. All my gas is store in a shed long way away from my house, and that is in 5 gallon safety cans, but they are about 50.00 each, but again, well worth it.

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old

07-05-2006 09:03:11




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 Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to RegoR, 07-05-2006 08:49:29  
I don't know how safe this is but what I do/have is a 40 gallion tank that I keep on the bed of my truck. When I need gas for one of the tractors I take a 2 gallion gas jug and fill it and take that to the tractor. That way I don't have jugs laying around all over the place and the main fuel supply is mobile and if fire starts some place its easy to move the supply away from the fire. Biggest problem is now days it hurts real bad to fill that 40 gallion tank up.

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RegoR

07-06-2006 06:03:35




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 Thank you all! Re: OT - Fire Safety in reply to old, 07-05-2006 09:03:11  
Thanks for all the helpful replies!

Roger



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