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Matt Clark

03-14-2001 08:03:06




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Last night, I took too pretty rough Smith compressors and managed to put together one pretty decent one. (One rusted tank, other, no pressure cut-out and a really ancient, slow motor.) The pressure switch leaks air from the small aluminum line connected to the check valve (?). Does anyone have a drawing of how this little connection is supposed to be set up. There's a small spring, o-ring and brass plunger. As pressure builds, the leak slows, but never stops. I think it's some sort of unloader, but I don't really want it slowly unload the whole pressure tank. Any thoughts - it's a square D switch, just like on a well pump, with this separate small air line in the side. I can provide pictures if necessary...

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Fred OH

03-14-2001 19:13:28




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 Re: Compressor - pressure switch in reply to Matt Clark, 03-14-2001 08:03:06  
I had to replace one of these last summer. It was on an older Sears horizontal compressor. They carry them if you need one. I don't remember the model # on it. It was for a neighbor and he passed away and I don't know where the compressor is now. L8R----Fred OH



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tools

03-14-2001 10:44:49




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 Re: Compressor - pressure switch in reply to Matt Clark, 03-14-2001 08:03:06  
Hey Matt,

It sounds like you should have two lines. One is where the air goes into the back of the pressure switch (where it is mounted on the tank or manifold. Make sure the diaphram in there doesn't leak (kinda unusual). The other little aluminum line you're talking about is the unloader (like LTF said). That little spring, O ring and plunger is essentially a schrader valve (like in a car tire stem). Your pressure switch should have a arm coming out the side which pushes the plunger and lets air out of the compressor head (via that little line). When the pressure switch shuts off the motor, a little arm hits that plunger and you hear a hiss like then you press the plunger in a car tire stem to let some air out. Should last a second or two until the pressure is relieved out of the compressor head. Some let air out of the head AND the compressor to tank air line (in which case you NEED the check valve). If it just continually leaks slowly, it's most likely clogged up somewhere, and it's taking longer than it should to relieve the pressure. If the whole compressor setup is wrong, and the switch works right, it would sound (and act) like continually squeezing the trigger on a smallish blow gun.

First, if the compressor pumps up and shuts off when it's supposed to, it's probably worth working on.

Next, like LTF said, you should probably have a check valve installed where the air from the compressor goes into the tank. I just bought one for $12 from Grainger.

Now, check to see if the pressure switch moves that little arm when it shuts off. It's mechanically connected to the electrical contact assembly. If it does, just clean everything up, replace the O ring and put it back together. Doesn't matter if it leaks a little, you won't lose air out of the tank with the check valve.

Let us know how it goes!

Tools

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Matt

03-14-2001 10:53:07




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 Re: Re: Compressor - pressure switch in reply to tools, 03-14-2001 10:44:49  
Thanks for the help guys. It does have a check valve (I think thats the cone-shaped thing attached to the cylinder.) The aluminum line comes out the side, and the rest of the air, I suppose, goes into the tank through the piping. It pressurizes nicely, but when it kicks off, there's quite a bit of air coming out, and it didn't stop, even though tank pressure dropped about 30 psi. It got late so I quit.

I had to replumb the aluminum line, as someone else had broken it off. When I took it off the pressure switch (which sits on top of the hose valve), it fell apart, and I'm not sure I got the parts back together in the right order. Plunger first, then spring then o-ring (which seems pretty stiff, like plastic). I don't see any really good way for this thing to seal off at all.

Would I be better off just capping the unloader at the check valve? My older model had all the same lines, but no unloader or pressure switch.

Pretty long winded, but I really appreciate the help, and I want to take another crack at it tonite.

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Frank

03-14-2001 16:47:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Compressor - pressure switch in reply to Matt, 03-14-2001 10:53:07  
It sounds like your check valve isn't sealing. When the pump shuts off the unloader lets the pressure out of the compressor head. On a properly working unit the air should bleed out for no more than a second or two. If the air continues to bleed out, it's coming from the tank. Replace the check valve and you should be OK.
Hope this helps
Frank



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T_Bone

03-14-2001 15:19:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Compressor - pressure switch in reply to Matt, 03-14-2001 10:53:07  
Hi Matt, You need to replace the aluminum line as it has work harden and will recrack. Use copper as it works and last the longest.

You can buy a new pressure switch/unloader for about $30 so there really not worth messing with. You will need the unloader as without it makes the starting current to high on the motor and will burn the motor windings, if the motor will start without a unloader, most won't.

If the pressure switch/unloader valve is working correct, you don't need a check valve as the combination switch has a built in check valve.

T_Bone

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ltf in nc

03-14-2001 10:04:55




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 Re: Compressor - pressure switch in reply to Matt Clark, 03-14-2001 08:03:06  
I believe that you have two minor probelms. There should be a check valve going to the tank that prevents the tank from flowing back toward the compressor. Yes, what you described is a type of unloader and it too is leaking a little. Its purpose is to bleed off the compressor and the line to the tank when the compressor cycles to enable the compressor to restart without load. Somewhere in that line there is also a relief valve. For safety it must be correctly located and operational.

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