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Caliper , vernier, dial or digital

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HAnovertom

06-27-2006 17:12:13




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I'm not a machinist, but am lookig for a good set of calipers. Any thoughts without breaking the bank?
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w

07-01-2006 19:10:18




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
I would have to agree, with the general opinion that digital isn't the way to go. Dial calipers are accurate enough for most work. The biggest hazzard is chips in the works. Try to get a covered rack. Some have the rack covered and some have it expoxed. If you do get a chip in there don't force it, get it out. I would suggest a cheap pair, they can be had for $25 or less, for general use, then you can keep the good set for when you really need them. Check flea markets and swap meets for micrometers too, and I wouldn't own a digital mic either, same reasons. I think digital is like a lot of new stuff you get, you won't see it in 50 years like a B&S or Starrett mic you can get at a sway meet today that is 50 years old and still good. I should have added that some of the cheap dial calipers, imported, are not too bad. And you won't feel too bad if you drop them or something else happens.

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Dave_Id

06-30-2006 17:01:15




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
I bought my first dial caliper in the late 60's. A Browne and Sharpe. The rack and gear on the early ones weren't nearly as smooth as what is produced these days, and heaven forbid a stray chip get in there, and the dial goes nuts. I have a Mitutoyo digital now that I have used for the last 15 years or so, and quite happy with, but if I ever had to do it again, I'd go back to the dial.



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Bob - MI

06-30-2006 09:28:57




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
Sounds like you could get by with whatever is cheaper. I have digitals and dials and I like the dials the best. It"s all in what you are used to. If you are doing light duty work most any caliper on the market will suit your needs EXCEPT for those cheap plastic ones.



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Ford Man

06-28-2006 12:20:10




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
I have been a machinist by trade for over 20 years.

My Grandfather taught me to read verniers when I was about 12 or 14 years old.The concept is pretty simple and is just a matter of adding things up as you go to get the measurement.You can easily do it in your head once you get the knack.The only problem I have is the lines are getting harder to see the older I get.

For the most part , I used dial calipers if I had +/-.005 or more.I have a cheap chinese pair I use on the saw.They were only about $ 15.00 so no big loss if something happens to them. Got a Brown & Sharp pair I use on the mill and a "Sunday" pair of Mitutoyo digitals that I use for final checking.

Anything closer than .005" needs checking with micrometers.

Speaking of micrometers , I had a pair of digital mics but never really used them so I sold them.

My favorite pair is believe it or not a pair of VIS that are made in Poland. Got them new back about 15 years ago for $ 12.95. They are dead on throughout their range.I used to do a lot of cylindrical grinding and have checked thousands of diameters with them.Like them better than my Brown & Sharps. They just have a better feel to them.

Anyway,dial calipers will probably serve you for most things that are not closer than .005" just make sure you know how to read them properly.

Ford Man

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Don c

06-28-2006 04:11:06




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
Had one guy at the local machine shop tell me the digital was pretty much junk, they was off at small readings,not much, and the larger the reading was the more it was off. They use all dial ones.



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Roy Suomi

06-28-2006 03:33:40




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
I have had no luck with digital calipers..Sporatic readings , batteries dying at the most unopertune times..Nope , went back to the old technology..It works....



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MBU

06-27-2006 20:41:20




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
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I have some Starrett and Mitutoyo calipers and they are very nice but are quite expensive. But... here is a very inexpensive digital one that is very good. Can"t beat the price of $15.99 either! The only bad thing is that the batteries that come with it aren"t very good. But even that isn"t too much of a problem as replacements are common, inexpensive and can be purchased at Wal-Mart.

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van robinson

06-27-2006 19:52:50




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
We use calipers like this everyday here at work. We are a large machine shop and these hold up very well. Not bad price either.



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Butch(OH)

06-27-2006 19:28:16




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
Well, it's hard to give a best reccomendation unless we know what you intend to do with them, how well you will take care of a precision device,how well you can see and how your math skills are. May sound like BS but the facts are that for being rugged and foolproof you cant beat vernier but if you cant see real well or need a calculatior for simple math forget about them. A dial from a good manf is easy to see and most accurate (unless you can see nutrons with your bare eyes) but second hardest for the mind math disabled to use. The rack and piion that runs the dial will not digest dirt and debris so sloppy care will trash one fast. The digitals, unless you spend large bucks all have the same problem, accuracy. Now before you digital fans jump on my case go read your data. Most are advertised by some real nice fine resolution like .0001 This is not to be confused with accuracy which I have seen at .002, heck just use a tape measure, LOL. When the trade school grads show up at our local shops with a set they get sent home until they come back with dials, just a fact. A little bit of coolant on the rack of a digital makes it worthless. All that being said I keep a set of Starrett dials for precision work on the lathe and mill and a set of Mititoyo digitals for coarse work. I cant see well enough to use the old verniers in my chest.

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Easy

06-28-2006 07:59:03




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to Butch(OH), 06-27-2006 19:28:16  
I have verniers too, seldom use them. I use the calipers for rough work, I don't trust them any closer than +/- .002 or so. After that, its mics or bore gages, or our Zeiss CMM.



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meadova

06-27-2006 18:12:58




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
I use all three in my shop. All are accurate and work well if taken care of. Digital does good for general use like the 0-8 with metric and inches from MSC about 80 bucks.



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NC Wayne

06-27-2006 17:55:42




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
I've got to agree, a vernier is a pain to read, and while their good for some things a digital set just can't take the normal "abuse" they'd get in most shops. We've got several Mitutoyo's and their about the best you can get for the price without breaking the bank. One thing if your doing alot of measuring on bearings go ahead and invest the extra for a metric set also as many bearings, even those from some years back that you would thing would be standard, are in fact metric.

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Davis In SC

06-27-2006 17:49:51




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to HAnovertom, 06-27-2006 17:12:13  
My personal preference is a set of Mitutoyo Dial calipers... Verniers are too difficult for my old eyes to read, & I never quite trusted the digital type. I actually have all 3 kinds but the dial type gets used 99% of the time...



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RustyFarmall

06-27-2006 18:02:02




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 Re: Caliper , vernier, dial or digital in reply to Davis In SC, 06-27-2006 17:49:51  
I agree, and once you get the feel for when everything is right, the dial caliper won't lie to you. Digital calipers have been known to give false readings.



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