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Matt

03-13-2001 19:34:01




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Tired of fixing trailer flats, so I bought some used 12 ply tires. Needless to stay they are a little stiff, and I am having trouble getting them to take air, in order to seat. Any ideas?




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Thys

03-18-2001 06:12:16




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
One of the replies mentioned a "beadblaster", this consists of tank similar to a 30lbs propane tank with a large 2" gatevalve on top and a flat funnel type nozzle. When using this you place the nozzle between the rim and the tire and open the quarter turn valve, doing this forces all the 120 psi shop air from the tank between the rim and tire. This method does not use combustibles, no flame etc. I have used both methods extensively and the "beadblaster" is much safer. Never seen a tire that would not seat.

Of course, you could also use an inner tube, my 2 cents worth,,,,, ,,,,
Thys in Nova Scotia.

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Big Jim ......no joke!

03-16-2001 19:43:05




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
80 Grit is right on the money. Ether really does work! I had a nasty tire that just would not seat on the rim a couple of years ago. My neighbor showed me how to seat the bead with ether. Works quickly and sure gets your attention! I had never heard of this before and I thought he was full of .... I guess its never too late to learn something new.



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Paul

03-16-2001 13:48:02




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
There was a cartoon on the shop wall at work. The mechanic was inside the tire cage and reaching out to air up the tire.



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Farmer-Gene

03-16-2001 09:02:54




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
I never heard of such a thing, would have saved me a lot of cuss words on some of these farm tires, has anyone had a tire catch on fire using this method?



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Matt

03-15-2001 16:19:58




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
Thanks for the advice guys. Tried everything you suggested (that I had the equipment for). Had to resort to the starting fluid on 1 of them. Took every precaution first. Worked great, Actually didn't pop at all, ended up being much less scarry than the others where I was able to use air pressure. Thanks again.



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Burrhead

03-15-2001 18:15:05




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 Re: Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-15-2001 16:19:58  
Yep the ether is the way to go. You can be aired up and finished while the yuppies are still dragging out rubber air rings and come alongs.

It's kinda like Brylcream tho, just a little dab will do it.



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tools

03-16-2001 09:55:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Burrhead, 03-15-2001 18:15:05  
Ok, so maybe it isn't so scary. Here's a little tidbit of info that may or may not be relevant. My newphews took me out one day and showed me their potato guns. Probably not very safe either, but, pretty cool to see a potato go OUT OF SIGHT! Anyway, the propellent of choice is cheap hairspray. Turns out, if you use too much hairspray, it doesn't fire NEARLY as fast. According to some underground publisher's book on potato guns they had, too much propellent displaces too much oxygen and therefore won't burn as well. We're talking pretty small combustion chambers, so that may not apply here.

Neat discussion.

Tools

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Gordon in IN

03-14-2001 17:19:09




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
A "tubeless tire - bead seating O ring for a 14 inch tire/wheel combination" - works just fine. It is a little more difficult to get on the wheel than on a 14" wheel (you may have to use a tire iron). It makes the tire take air and seats one bead and then the tire forces the "o ring" off and the other bead seats. I've never had it fail. It does not require a "lot" of air either. Putting tubes in the tires (and leaving them in there) is also a good idea if the bead surfaces of your wheels are rusty or are "roughed up". Good luck, Gordon in IN.

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Tom

03-14-2001 17:00:57




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
Another method that can work but isn't as much fun or as spectacular is to use a bicycle inner tube of the right diameter, usually a 12,16 or 20 inch tube. Put some air in it and use it to fill the gap between one bead and the rim, the other bead being already in contact with the rim. The idea is that the tube will work out as the tire bead is pushed onto its seat.



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todd

03-14-2001 16:31:30




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
Try the stating fluid it works great just dont use alot just some around the inside of the rim and lite a piece of paper or a wrag on fire and toss it on the rim and poof it works.



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Mike

03-14-2001 10:34:59




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
If you are patient, put tubes in the tires and inflate pushing sidewalls apart. In a day or to remove the tubes yet the tire will still be "wide" at the beads enabling you to mount them and they will seat easily. I used the ether method for years, but broke down and bought a 350$ blaster last spring. If you were near me and brought the tires to me already mounted I'd blast em and air em for a little cash. Maybe a tire shop near you will do the same

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Charlie

03-14-2001 09:51:05




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
I'm still laughing over the entry about using starting fluid. Sounds like it works though. Have you tried lubricating the beads. It makes a big difference regardless of the tire. A little dish soap would work.



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Johnny

03-14-2001 16:43:42




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 Re: Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Charlie, 03-14-2001 09:51:05  
Here in East Texas the starting fluid method is the norm not the exception, most often for big tires, lots of small tire shops. Johnny



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tools

03-14-2001 10:51:47




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 Re: Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Charlie, 03-14-2001 09:51:05  
Don't laugh! I actually SAW this done on mainstream TV! I think it was a TLC or Discovery channel special on 4 wheeling. Showed a team of two VERY HIGHLY factory modified SUV's making a big old expedition across the world or somewhere. They would let a lot of pressure out to navigate very rocky passes and would occasionally knock a tire bead loose. They showed the team reseating the tire using the method described. LOOKED REALLY DANGEROUS to me, but, they made it work like a charm. I guess if someone actually showed me how, I might consider it. Just giving it a shot without some guidelines though, not me.

Tools

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Jerry B

03-15-2001 06:38:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Seating tire beads in reply to tools, 03-14-2001 10:51:47  
Tools...Yousaw the same show on TLC as I did. The method they used was exactly the same as I have seen done many times.

The guidelines are just as you saw them: spray ether, ignite and jump back.
Pretty simple.



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tools

03-14-2001 07:14:00




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
Well, if you don't use the trailer a lot, consider innertubes. My Triumph sports car uses innertubes because of the spokes. I air up the tires every COUPLE of years, they just DON'T leak.

Tools



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Bill D

03-14-2001 05:13:00




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
Usually a high flow compressor will do the job I have used a cable or come a long around the tire to squeeze it and force the bead out to the rim Do not recommend any thing requiring fire or explosive force too hard on the surrounding area



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80 Grit

03-13-2001 19:47:21




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 Re: Seating tire beads in reply to Matt, 03-13-2001 19:34:01  
Shoot some starter fluid in the casing and spray a trail about 6 feet back from the tire and light the trail. Instant seating!



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80 Grit

03-14-2001 18:34:44




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 Re: Re: Seating tire beads in reply to 80 Grit, 03-13-2001 19:47:21  
The maximum pressure that I have ever read with a tire gauge after using this method is only about 25 psi. It looks and sounds scarier than it is.



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tools

03-15-2001 05:29:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Seating tire beads in reply to 80 Grit, 03-14-2001 18:34:44  
Ok one more question,

Do you do this procedure with the stem valve in place or not?

Tools



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80 Grit

03-15-2001 11:08:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Seating tire beads in reply to tools, 03-15-2001 05:29:03  
Either way! If you leave the stem in place the tire will stay secured to the rim better, particularly if it is a large tire and you have to roll it to a cage for final inflation. On a large tire hold the spray can to where you can spray inside the tire and spray one complete circle moving your arm briskly and then spray a trail on the ground back for 6 feet or so and immediately ignite the trail. If it is windy obviously the trail will be blown away and the trail method will not work. I would not stand over the tire and ignite it but I would toss a flaming rag the 6 feet or so. Let us know how you make out with this, it does work and I have never heard of anyone getting hurt. A tire repairman was killed near me while using an air compressor and by exceeding the pressure recommended to seat a rear tire when the tire blew over the rim and hit him in the chest.

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John in Abq

03-13-2001 20:08:18




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 Re: Re: Seating tire beads in reply to 80 Grit, 03-13-2001 19:47:21  
I've used this method for years and it always works. But, it still gives me a scare every time I do it.
Was in a tire shop a few weeks ago having a flat fixed when I heard that familar "whuuump". I looked around the corner and saw a guy rolling a tire away and a can of starting fluid on the floor. When I asked him about it, he said it was against "official policy" to use the stuff, but some tires just would not seat any other way.

John

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