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Bison

06-16-2006 19:22:02




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I got a lincoln [ nasdac ] migwelder a while ago.
welded like a charm, but lately the damm thing keeps kicking the 15 amp breaker in the breaker panel after 1 to 2 min of welding , on top of that it wont make a smooth weld no more either and stutters continuesly,no matter in what setting.
pulling the trigger when not welding feeds the wire out smoothly.
has Anybody any idee what couses this?.

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Try this:

06-20-2006 00:00:14




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 Re: Mig welder problems in reply to Bison, 06-16-2006 19:22:02  
Remove the power plug from the receptical and the side panels from the welder. Check that all terminals and connections are tight with a screwdriver or wrench. Pay particular attention to the switches. My welder worked fine till a lightly tightened screw on the step switch worked loose. It made welding impossible. You may have large capaciters that remain charged even with power off, so don't ground tools or yourself while checking things.

Slowpoke

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davpal

06-19-2006 23:03:55




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 Re: Mig welder problems in reply to Bison, 06-16-2006 19:22:02  
Sounds like your not getting any shielding gas over the weld area. That is where I would start. Make sure you have about 3-5 psi on the regulator and it is coming out the end. A lot of times the line comes off inside the trigger or gets kinked. Just a guess but I bet that is it.



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KYfarm

06-19-2006 17:37:36




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 Re: Mig welder problems in reply to Bison, 06-16-2006 19:22:02  
Make sure that the ground is very cleanly attached, I know that is simplistic but it seems that when I weld at work that is a problem sometimes that will produce bad welds, check the connections inside the box from the gun and make sure they aren"t loose. If all else seems right and it just won"t weld right it is the board.



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Stan in Oly, WA

06-19-2006 10:16:09




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 Re: Mig welder problems in reply to Bison, 06-16-2006 19:22:02  
Hi Bison,

Since you say you bought the wire feed welder recently after having done all your welding with stick, maybe you aren't aware of some of the fundamentals of wire feed yet. Do you know that whenever you change either the volts or the wire speed you have to change the other to match? Stuttering arc and terrible looking welds are characteristic of unbalanced power and wire feed settings. Also, every time the wire sticks on the work it's a dead short. In most cases, apparently, the wire burns off and keeps welding, but maybe it's the gradual buildup of heat in the breaker from those multiple brief shorts which finally trips it.

If this might be the problem, what you have to do is guess at the settings that should work together (set each up 1/4 of its full range from its zero point, for instance) then leave one alone while you adjust the other over a range above, then below, its starting point. If this is the problem, somewhere in there you'll hit the point where it welds right. At less than 21.5 volts, metal is deposited by short circuit transfer. This mode makes the familiar frying bacon sound when it's dialed in, so you can use the sound to help you find the right setting.

One other thing to check is your gas flow (unless you're using flux core, obviously.) You need somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 cu. ft/min in most cases. Pull the cup off the nozzle and make sure you've got gas coming out the ports. Too little or no gas can mess up your weld, and so can excessive gas flow.

Good luck, Stan

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farmall_A_guy

06-17-2006 00:03:18




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 Re: Mig welder problems in reply to Bison, 06-16-2006 19:22:02  
Hi. you support to use a big breaker than 15 amp. try a 25 amp breaker.the liner is dirty and the tip is plug up.So get a new liner and tipsbut make sure they are the right size for your wire.that fix your problem. I got a lincoln 135 plus I had the same problem and i change that stuff and it run good now



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Buzzman72

06-17-2006 09:00:53




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 Re: Mig welder problems in reply to farmall_A_guy, 06-17-2006 00:03:18  
I agree about the liner. I worked at a factory that built frames for Ford Explorers, and the entire frame was MIG welded. Whenever the wire wouldn't feed out properly, the first thing to change was the tip [actually, we usually changed out the tip, the adapter and the diffuser all at once, if we weren't just dealing with a burnback; it saved time that way]. If the wire still wouldn't feed out without jerking, it was time for a new liner...UNLESS there was something wrong with the weld wire, like possibly rust or foreign matter on it. But we used so much wire, it was usually pretty fresh. Of course, since each weld station was dedicated to a single type of welding task, we weren't switching wire sizes or types like you might do in your shop at home...so mismatched roller, liner, or tip sizes weren't a problem for us.

So make sure your weld wire is clean, make sure your tip and roller size match the wire you're using...and if all that checks out, change the liner.

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Bison

06-18-2006 18:36:32




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 Re: Mig welder problems in reply to Buzzman72, 06-17-2006 09:00:53  
Thanks for the reply's

I checked everything over.
The welder ran good from the start on the same 15 amp breaker.That is what my manual recommends. I am only 10 feet from the breakerbox with the plugin. the problems started recently.
I put in a new tip , the liner is clean. the roll of wire rolls good with no binding, the wire feeds out smootly when pulling the trigger out in the open, but when trying to weld it starts stuttering. The welds look like I never welded before

Hell I am still using the same little roll of wire the that came with the welder when new. that is how much i used it till now.I mayby ran it for two hours tops, but the warranty is expired now.

I mostly use the stick welder anyway.I bought this thing to weld some sheet metal, I used to run a migwelder for years before i started farming so I know how to use them.
I am stumped.

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