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woodbutcher

06-13-2006 09:51:49




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I have a Lincoln tombstone welder that I have used for 30 years for all kinds of welding. It is a 225 AC model with a 3-spade plug. After reading several discussions in this forum, I am wondering if it needs a ground wire.
Butch




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John T

06-13-2006 15:50:28




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 Re: welder grounding in reply to woodbutcher, 06-13-2006 09:51:49  
Butcher, Unless it got broke or removed, the typical garden variety 220 volt AC Buzz Box Welder metal case SHOULD ALREADY BE GROUNDED. That 3 wire cord and plug consists of two hot phase wires (220 VAC across them) plus an equipment grounding safety conductor. That equipment grounding conductor (often green or bare) should already be bonded to the welders metal case and it provides a low impedance return current path back to the panel (via cord and receptacle) to trip the breaker and clear the fault so you dont get shocked should you come in contact with the metal case and a hot phase wire got shorted against it.

NOTE Mother earth ground IS NOT THE SAME as the equipment grounding conductor. If the welder had no equipment grounding concuctor and one of its hot phase wires shorted to the case, the circuit breaker wouldnt trip out, so if you touched the case and were standing on like wet conductive earth or concrete, you could get enough curent flow through your heart to be lethal. Even if you tied the welders case to mother earth (but had no safety equipment ground as described above), since the earth is not a very good conductor (depends on moisture and mineral content etc etc) theres a chance there wouldnt be sufficient current flow to trip the breaker and again, its a potential hazard. Thats the reason you want the case bonded to a low impedance (unlike mother earth high impedance) copper wire grounding conductor back to the panel via the cord and receptacle, so the breaker will immediately trip should the case become energized!!!!! !!!!! !!!! Tying it to mother earth IS NOT THE ANSWER as far as total safety is concerned, it needs to be tied to a copper wire (grounding conductor) that leads back to the panel so the breaker trips if a hot wire touches the case BEFORE YOU DO !!!!! !!!

ALSO Neutral IS NOT THE SAME AS THE EQUIPMENT GROUND !!!!! !!! The white Neutral is a current carrying grounded conductor while the green/bare equipment ground is a non current carrying conductor intended ONLY to carry fault current to trip the breaker. Just because the equipment ground would work like a Neutral DOES NOT MAKE IT A NEUTRAL NOR MAKE IT NEC LEGAL. Except for the range/dryer exceptions it is NEC illegal and unsafe to use the equipment ground as a Neutral to carry ordinary phase current.

Hope this helps, take care be safe n God Bless

John T Retired Electrical Engineer

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dr.sportster

06-13-2006 14:05:31




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 Re: welder grounding in reply to woodbutcher, 06-13-2006 09:51:49  
It already is grounded.Do a continuity test to check it but that what the third prong is for.Test the casing to a waterpipe and you will have continuity.



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Stan in Oly, WA

06-13-2006 11:08:08




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 Re: welder grounding in reply to woodbutcher, 06-13-2006 09:51:49  
Hi Butch,

The case is grounded. That's all the ground wire does. (Well, actually, I recently bought a 25+ year old Lincoln Idealarc which has the typical 3 prong 240 volt plug, and the schematic shows the cooling fan as being 120 volts. I want to make something very clear though, for those who may think I need to be chastised for now owning this piece of crime against nature: THIS IS NOT MY FAULT)

All the best, Stan

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KEB

06-13-2006 19:34:35




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 Re: welder grounding in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 06-13-2006 11:08:08  
Actually, running a small 120 volt load between hot & ground is common practice in things like dryers, electric ranges, etc., where the controls are 120 volt. Not sure how they get away with it, must be some sort of rationale in the code, but I'm not familiar with what it is.

Keith



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Richard H.

06-13-2006 10:10:28




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 Re: welder grounding in reply to woodbutcher, 06-13-2006 09:51:49  
You are kidding, Right?



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woodbutcher

06-13-2006 12:37:48




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 Re: welder grounding in reply to Richard H., 06-13-2006 10:10:28  
Richard,
I'm serious about my old welder, but it was the discussion about Stan's welder that brought my question to mind. (And I do realize that you were probably asking Stan if he was serious.) Stan,
I appreciate the input. I'll fell better about using the old thing now.
Butch



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Richard H.

06-13-2006 15:18:58




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 Re: welder grounding in reply to woodbutcher, 06-13-2006 12:37:48  
Nope it was you I responded to and I am truly sorry for not understanding what you were saying or asking. The way I took it was that you had a cord cap with three prongs and was wondering if what you plug it into should have a ground. My bad, can you ever forgive me? Richard



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woodbutcher

06-14-2006 07:47:57




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 Re: welder grounding in reply to Richard H., 06-13-2006 15:18:58  
Thanks to all for the info. Richard, All is forgiven.
Butch



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