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OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR

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ShepFL

06-12-2006 10:09:04

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Over the yrs. I have enjoyed some of your huntng tales. Last yr. SWMBO said I could get a rifle for 2006 Father's Day.

Been looking at the .17 caliber. Long suspected it was a fad but friends claim it is the real deal. Been using a .22-250 and .223 for crows and coyotes. Thinking the .17 might be niche gun for this type of shooting.

I am leaning towards the .17 Remington as it can be reloaded, however I suspect any improvements I could do would be marginal at best. Your thoughts on one over the other?

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ShepFL

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KraigWY

06-14-2006 06:59:54

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

I have one of those new Ruger .204s in the Ruger #1, got about 300 rounds through it and the sucker is everybit as good as all the right up's.

Its a tac driver in both factory and hand loads, shot several coyotes and foxes with it, does ever bit as good a job as my .223 and 257 Roberts but at longer ranges. Its a flat shooting little sucker. Zero recoil, you dont know about the recoil of the 223 until you shoot the 204, it doesn't move the scope off target when firing.

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buickanddeere

06-14-2006 14:13:36

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to KraigWY, 06-14-2006 06:59:54

It's always good to have a .22 .223 .308 and a 12 gauge around. If nothing else they can use armed forces surplus ammo. Cheap and always avalable.

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Loren

06-13-2006 21:51:17

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

Shep, the big factor in the answer to your question is what you're going to use it for. If there's a specific hunting wish then the hp behind the two and cost should answer it for you. They both shoot real good, but the HMR isn't a 300-400 yard cartridge. And the Rem. isn't a plinker with a low report. The claim to fame on the .17 Rem. is hunting for pelts. Itty bitty hole in, seldom a hole out. All factors considered the .204 is closest to it, and the jury's still arguing due to bullet design and specs. The HMR is an accurate little rimfire. Totally different uses for the two.

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Loren

06-13-2006 22:05:29

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to Loren, 06-13-2006 21:51:17

Guess I missed the coyotes and crows part...
The .17 Rem. would do great, as would the .204. I'm assuming you're just exterminating by the sound of it.

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ShepFL

06-13-2006 06:11:11

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Thanks Y'all in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

I will stick with what I have based on your input and what I have read. I am intrigued by the 204 though, sounds like an interesting gun.

As to the heavier stuff I have what I need there.

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cj3b_jeep

06-13-2006 04:55:54

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

We shoot .17-250, it's a .22-250 necked down, shoots nice and flat for 250-400 yard shots on coyote and groundhogs. In the front section of my property, I either shoot a .22 or a .22 Hornet becuase of the proximity of the road.

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Gus

06-12-2006 17:24:24

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

Link
This is what the coyote gods say about the .17 Remington. I just bought a 17 HMR since it"s a rimfire and legal here for varmints. I"ll let you know after a few kills. Also have a 220 Swift but ammo is about a buck a shot. I don"t reload. My brother-in-law belongs to a gun club and says the 204 is all the rage right now. Gus

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mjbrown

06-12-2006 16:37:45

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

I'm going to throw in with Tom on the 204 Ruger. I've never shot one but it sounds pretty cool. I remember reading somewhere that the .17 Rem. burned out the bore pretty fast.

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TomTX

06-12-2006 15:08:49

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

Best coyote cartridge made is the 204 Ruger caliber. It will outshoot the 222, 223, 22-250, 22 hornet, 17 Rem, and 17 HMR. It is even flatter than the old 220 Swift. The new Ruger 204 is a 20 caliber that shoots a 32 gr or a 40 gr flatter than all the competition. It is a centerfire, can be reloaded, has absolute minimum recoil. Brother just got one and I helped him break it in; a Howa Thumbhole Sporter in the Ruger 204 with Leopold VX 3-9. Tom

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Mike M

06-13-2006 04:31:16

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to TomTX, 06-12-2006 15:08:49

Are you shooting that 204 in a Ruger gun ? I have not been impressed at all with the accuracy of Ruger guns made for quite a few years now. Hopefully they have improved.

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TomTX

06-13-2006 10:48:00

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to Mike M, 06-13-2006 04:31:16

The gun is "Ruger 204" caliber. The gun is a Howa brand, Howa is made in Japan, and distributed by Legacy Sports International in the USA. Howa makes the same gun for Weatherby, who sells it as their Vangaurd. I perfer the Howa because you can get the "thumbhole sporter" stock, which is sold by Howa, but made by Boyd Gunstocks. Tom

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Mike M

06-16-2006 10:59:25

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to TomTX, 06-13-2006 10:48:00

That is probabally why it shoots so good !

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buickanddeere

06-12-2006 13:56:42

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

Stick with the .223 and pass on the 17's and 20's. They are a solution in search of a problem. If the old reliable cheap to shoot .22 high velocity won't do the job, bring out the 5.56x45. Next worthwhile step up is the classic .270W.

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2x4

06-12-2006 20:28:36

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to buickanddeere, 06-12-2006 13:56:42

agree

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Dave 2N

06-12-2006 18:19:08

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to buickanddeere, 06-12-2006 13:56:42

Have to agree pretty much. I have a .17 Rem. and it's good; they're dead right now. But they are dead right now too with the .223 and it's more accurate and easier to load.

I've been tempted to get a .17HMR but can't really see where it fits into my scheme of things. Been using the .223 exclusively this summer.

To go bigger, I like the .308; super accurate and likes a lot of different loads.

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buickanddeere

06-12-2006 18:52:52

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to Dave 2N, 06-12-2006 18:19:08

.223 is a 5.56x45 for those who were wondering.

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TimV

06-12-2006 13:39:58

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

ShepFL: While any excuse will do to get a new gun, I've been somewhat less than overwhelmed with my .17 HMR after two years of owning it. Ammo is more expensive than the .22 magnum, accuracy is no better, the range is less (particularly in any sort of crosswind), and killing power is inadequate for woodchucks at anything much over 75 yards. Mine sets in the cabinet and I've went back to the .222 I've used for years. The .17 Remington, on the other hand, is a dandy little gun. A friend uses his for coyotes and has made kills at over 400 yards, though he's also a far better than average shot. Still, you've already got two of the best calibers ever made for varmint hunting, and I wouldn't think either of the .17's would do a better job than what you're already using.

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mjbrown

06-12-2006 16:32:58

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to TimV, 06-12-2006 13:39:58

Tim; Are you using the CCI hollow points or the ballistic tip Hornaday's? I had the same results you report with the hollow points but found the spirepoints to be more accurate farther out and have much better lethality on woodchucks.

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TimV

06-12-2006 16:58:34

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to mjbrown, 06-12-2006 16:32:58

Tried both, as I'd heard just the opposite (that the hollowpoints were better woodchuck killers, and I had started with the the ballistic tips and was looking for an improvement) but wasn't overly impressed with either one. I'm with buickanddeere on this one--they make a dandy excuse to buy a new rifle, but there's plenty of established loads that will do at least as good of a job as either of the .17's will.

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mjbrown

06-12-2006 13:30:44

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

Depends on the ranges your shooting at these critters. The .17hmr is the real deal on woodchucks, coons and crow sized animals. I think it would be a little small for coyotes. It is a 150yard rifle. A box of .17HMR ammo costs about $11.00 for 50 rounds. The .17 Rem is hugely more powerful than the hmr and good at three times the range. It would be a much better choice for coyotes. If you are set up with a loading press and know a good gun smith do a web search on the .17Hornet.

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Stan in Oly, WA

06-12-2006 11:18:18

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

Hi Shep,

I haven't seen you post on this forum in quite awhile. Glad to hear from you again. I can't figure out what SWMBO stands for. In the past you've referred to your wife as Mrs. ShepFL, which I thought was respectful and funny at the same time.

I never could reload any handgun ammunition to be more accurate than even low end factory stuff, or at least I couldn't prove it. Once the load is clearly more accurate than the shooter, how do you find out how much more it's got left? There was no serious purpose to it for me, just an interest, so I couldn't justify a Ransom rest even by my wildly generous standards of what I "need."

All the best, Stan

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nballen

06-12-2006 12:18:18

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 06-12-2006 11:18:18

SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed

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Stan in Oly, WA

06-12-2006 17:10:44

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to nballen, 06-12-2006 12:18:18

Thanks

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KIP in MX

06-12-2006 11:03:49

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to ShepFL, 06-12-2006 10:09:04

It�s hard to beat the .22-250 for what your using it for. However, you can probably reload the .17 Rem ammo for what .17 HMR ammo costs after you have the dies and brass. Just my 2 pesos worth.

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jeffcat

06-13-2006 09:24:09

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to KIP in MX, 06-12-2006 11:03:49

My two cents worth here. Several years ago I loaded 22-250 with the frangible bullets. Do I remember them as Hornady? If you hit a chuck in the belly with a full load of grass. Jump back cause they blow up REAL good! You find little pieces all over the place. When you were raised on a farm you do NOT like ground hogs. They are not cute either! Most all of the chuck hunting I did was not to long of range. Use a Savage over under Valmet. It is 223 on the top with 20ga on the bottom. Has a 3x9 loeupold scope on it. Did my own trigger stone job and it breaks very clean. Also has a sling rig too. With care a 200yd shot was no problem. I do not do fancy shots, just center of mass. The buzzards need lunch too. Jeffcat

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gary heinitz

06-14-2006 09:32:25

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Re: OT - .17 Remington vs. .17 HMR in reply to jeffcat, 06-13-2006 09:24:09

i was in the same place until i started building some inexpensive custom 17 hmrs. the 17 hmrs i shoot will shoot sub 1/2 inch at 100 yds better than the 22 mag. i have made alot of shots to 252yds ranging is the key. ps i also shoot subsonic target 22lr to the same ranges just as accuratly. i have a sleeper 22lr. the coyote thing is not humaine just put a v max between the eyes of a yote last week and it was not humaine. use hollow points \varmint als article on bullet penatration. the other think is all of the 17 centerfires are awsome and are not "blown around in the wind" like one would think. shooting in populated area the 20 gr 17 will drop out faster but even a rem with a 25gr hp on the shoulder of a yote will not kill it. and run away wounded. use 30 gr bergers on yotes/9 twist. where noise is a object 17 hmr and stay away from cci ammo.i have tested no less than 10 rifles and cci came in last every time.federeal preimun has shot very well and with no wind it is a perfect group. as good as the gun your shooting. some tatered holes but i have shot over 25 boxes of 17hmr this last 2 months and i have missed more squirrels this year than in the last 10 ranging over 150 is critical.but very quiet, 17 hornet rules but all the 17 centerfires are great. try a 30gr or 35 gr bullet with 35 gr of AA2230 and your 22-250 or go buy a new toy and enjoy it. you wont loose what ever way you go.its all about fun. and 17s are that.hell shooting the 30 and 35 gr bullets are like buying a new rifle.

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