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O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the count

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Richard Fazio

06-06-2006 10:58:00




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Here's one that's really off topic, but I think most here are interested. I'm looking to move to a new area cause the land taxes are killing me. I retire soon so I'm checking out areas. It would be nice for people in different areas around the country to post their approximate land value and the yearly taxes they pay. We could get an idea of what's going on around the country. For example I have a house on Long Island, NY it's on a plot that's 60' X 100' with a small cape on it worth about $550,000.00, and I'm paying $7000.00 a year. I also have a farm in central NY with 52 acres a trailer home & barn worth about $400,000.00. I'm paying about $5000.00 in taxes there. What do you have? Thanks guys.

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John (MO)

06-07-2006 13:11:16




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  



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chvvet73

06-07-2006 08:55:35




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Southern CA- house worth $600,000- paid $165,000 in 1994 taxes- $2500

Durango, CO- house 1 acre- paid $69,000 in 2006 worth $260,000 today taxes- $650



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John (MO)

06-07-2006 07:34:12




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
525 acres, ~$1.00 per acre taxes, market value something between $1500.00 per acre and the moon. But then we don't have an interstate highway type road up to every house, or any zoning that keeps you from raising pigs within smelling distance of you neighbors. Then maybe some think that is a bad thing.... LMAO



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Richard Fazio

06-07-2006 08:33:17




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to John (MO), 06-07-2006 07:34:12  
Is it a dollar an acre no matter what you have? If I have 1 acre it's one dollar?



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John (MO)

06-07-2006 12:26:08




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-07-2006 08:33:17  
No, just turns out that the property taxes on my farm work out to a few cents over one dollar an acre per year. Been about that same way for the last 10 years or so.



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jdemaris

06-07-2006 11:00:08




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-07-2006 08:33:17  
From what I can tell, every state is going to get into your wallet, one way or the other. In regard to the state of Missouri- there may be areas within the state cheaper than others - just as it is anywhere. But . . . residential property is assessed at 19% of its fair market value and personal property is assessed at rates ranging from 5% to 33%. State sales tax is around 4.2%, diesel and gasoline tax around 17 cents per gallon, State income tax around 6% including retirement income for couples over $12,000. I have looked at properties in MO that were, in my opinion, taxed high when all is accounted for. Here in New York (state, not city), State sales tax is 4%, gasoline tax is 46 cents per gallon and diesel 39 cents! It has just been lowered a little - but not much. Personal income tax up to 7%. Most pensions are exempt, and those that are not are only taxable over $20,000 per year. Property tax is for real property only - not personal. The methods of taxing vary all over the state by county and town. Most residents if living here (primary residence) get a substantial "discount" on the tax bill called the STAR exemption. So, MO taxes pensions and personal property, but sells gas and diesel cheaper. New York - gets us in other ways. Seems the two least taxed places to live at the moment are Florida and Alaska. But - try to buy 50 or 100 acres in either and you'll go broke.

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Mike M

06-07-2006 07:01:36




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
You guys all have the wrong idea. I can see from every post WE THE PEOPLE are not free and are TAXED to death !

The answer is not to move away, but to join together and fight this craziness called TAXES !!!

It's getting about high time Americans take back America instead of trying to "fix" the rest of the world.



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Midwest redneck

06-07-2006 14:06:47




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Mike M, 06-07-2006 07:01:36  
Great Idea, what do you think we should do? Storm the state governments? Overthrow the heads of states and the federal level? Remember that People like us want everything from the government, like schools, police forces, bureuacracys. Dont forget that everything that you purchase (almost) is regulated by the government, Sick isnt it.



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Mike M

06-08-2006 06:22:08




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-07-2006 14:06:47  
It would be GREAT if everyone demanded for more choice in an election than the usual 2 poor choices of lifetime politicans who get the spotlight because of all the money they have.



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jdemaris - Central and No

06-07-2006 06:32:08




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
I live in Otsego County - Central NY. 80 acres - 1/2 woodland (hard maple, black cherry, ash), 1/2 good cropland. Beautiful mountain views, many springs and ponds. Farmhouse originally built 1820 with a newer half added. Three barns, solar electric, etc. I bought most of the land for $400 per acre 12 years ago. Currently assessed for $50,000 and total tax bill (land and school) is $1600. I was recently advised that our assessment is going to be tripled. Local realtor says our place would easily bring 250K. So, now what? I also have other parcels of land. Fifty acres in Northen NY in Jefferson County. Paid $10,000 for it 15 years ago - assessed as "wild forest land" at $20,000 - total taxes are $500 and was told it worth now around $35K. Also have 8 acres in the New York Adirondack mountains in Hamilton County. Paid $40,000 a few years ago and is now accessed at $70,000. Total taxes are $1100 - but I am building a cabin on it and all is going up. We are looking to move - but problem #1 is find a place that is better and will stay that way for awhile. Problem #2 - is figuring out what IS better, and what is NOT. I've lived in Central New York for over 30 years and take some things for granted. Clean spring water (some of the best in the country), lots of old farms, houses, and tractors around. No neighbors in sight. A sugar-woods full of hard maple trees. Turkey, deer, coyote, fox, beaver, brook trout, etc. all over the place - which is a plus for some, and a negative for others. Personally, I like having the wildlife around except when they destroy my crops. New York has no personal property tax - but does have lots of other fees and taxes. Many of these things I take for granted, and forget about - that is - until I travel elsewhere. We've looked at land around Maine and Michigan - and most times - the drinking water is awful. Land is flat and boring. Some areas highly regulated as to lifestyle. My truck broke down around Paradise in the Upper Pennisula in Michigan. So, I asked a guy where the nearest junkyard was - and he told me there weren't any. I was shocked - I like junk. I'm veering off point - but my point is - there are many hidden assests to certain areas as well as negatives. I'm old enough that moving is a bid deal to me and my family - and if we do it - I hope it will be the last. It seems pretty hard to figure though, what you're really getting into - unless you live in a new area for awhile.

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Richard Fazio

06-07-2006 06:51:42




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to jdemaris - Central and No, 06-07-2006 06:32:08  
You are absolutly right. I love my property in central NY. I have mountains in my backyard, a pond, deer, turkeys and all kinds of critters. I also have solar power and I'm thinking of disconnecting from the grid on the house I just got. I built a 50 X 60 barn, put in a road cleared a few acres to farm. I have many friends around me. I would hate to move after all the work I put in. But I'm just worried if I'm going to be able to make it there once retired.

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Gravy

06-07-2006 05:46:49




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Delaware is real good, tax-wise, location-wise. Except that many PA/NJ/NY folks are moving in...

NO sales tax. My property worth 500K taxed at $2300/year, county + school. We do have a substantial income tax but for most retirees that is not a problem.



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Hal/WA

06-06-2006 23:37:07




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
I live on a corner of what was the ranch I grew up on and have 20 acres. My Dad subdivided the property in the 70's and 80's and lots of neighbors have also subdivided their farms, as we are fairly close to Spokane. The land where I grew up now has 10 families on it.

Unfortunately over the last 10 or 15 years, many of the new houses built around here have been really large, fancy places. And some of them have recently changed hands, at ridiculously high prices.

Last year I paid nearly $5000 in property taxes on my property and fairly modest, 10 year old house. Last week, I got my reassesment notice: it is about 1/3 higher than last year!!! I did add a nice concrete ramp in front of the garage last year that cost $4000, but all the rest is inflation of value, caused by the prices people have got for the mansions they have built around me.

I grew up on this property, and I had hoped to live on it the rest of my life. But those taxes are SCARING ME!

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Richard Fazio

06-07-2006 05:43:38




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Hal/WA, 06-06-2006 23:37:07  
Hal what is your property worth, or what is the assessed value?



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J.C.H.

06-06-2006 21:59:04




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
I live NW of Phoenix AZ. In the last 5 years the value of this scrub desert land has been blown way out of reach for any one looking for reasonable housing land ,and nice desert with lots of native plants and Cactus in a nice area is un available except for the very wealthy.We bought in 1998 and our assessed valuation has risen three times what it was in 1998. From$72,000.00 to $238,000.00. Average new house costs around $350,000.00 and that is with a 5' set back on a small lot and street. land in the country is from $85,000.00 an Acre and up with no services. Water is 800 feet down so a $35,000.00 well is average.we will be forced out soon because of the declining Life quality. Too many people. Crime is a big issue in the entire State of Az. Huge amount of vehicles and Roads at a Minimum, Over crowding of all Facilities is starting and Taxes are rapidly rising to the point a Small Pension and Social Security won't cover all this.Many Retirees are trying to find jobs at Wal-mart,lowes or Home Depot with a Starting Wage of @7.00 per Hr. and less at the fast food joints. Building trades are depressed due to the huge number of young illegal Mexicans who will work for practically any wage. We are looking at several areas of New Mexico for a move in the near future while we are still able too. I would not like to go back to northern Ill. and sit thru Winter again.Land Value ,Taxes and Home values in Ill. are out of sight also so that would not be an option any way. Don't think I would like a Trailer Park.

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Richard Fazio

06-07-2006 05:24:14




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to J.C.H., 06-06-2006 21:59:04  
J.C.H. you didn't mention what your actually paying now in taxes.



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J.C.H.

06-07-2006 17:55:37




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-07-2006 05:24:14  
Our Assesed Valuation is a Senior Citizen Assessment and is frozen at $62,500.00 with Real Taxes of $683.00 which if we do not qualify the next time our Senior Exemption is filed will go, to at least $3800.00. One reason we came to Az. was for reasonable Housing and Taxes and since we established Residence both have went out of sight and it is creating a big hardship for a lot of Retirees who are not as well off as some of the rest of the country.We pay a 8--9.76% Sales Tax on most any item purchased, License Plates and Insurance for Home or Vehicles are very high. Still ,Winter is very comfortable. Summer! now that is another Story.

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J.C.H.

06-06-2006 22:05:37




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to J.C.H., 06-06-2006 21:59:04  
I forgot to add that the one salvation for us is our Homestead exemption which freezes our valuation temporarily for three years until we have to requalify.We are in a position at present that if either of us gains employment that it probably will push us over the income limits.Taxes,if that happens probably will be up around $4000.00



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Charles (in GA)

06-06-2006 18:35:54




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Not to condemn Alabama (or anywhere else for that matter) but property taxes ARE ONLY ONE PART OF THE EQUATION. You have to look at all other taxes you might be subject to, ways to get exemptions in states you might consider but think the taxes are too high, and be sure and look at things like gasoline taxes, sales taxes, "quality of life" issues from the quality of state and county roads, to quality of law enforcement, to quality of medical services.

I live in Georgia. I have friends that live in Alabama and Wisconsin and other places. Yes, Alabama does have low property taxes, but look at their income taxes (will will affect you less, since you are retiring) and the price of gasoline, groceries, etc., and see which area comes out ahead. Weather certainly is another factor.

Pulling up stakes and heading across the country to somewhere strange to finish out your life is a daunting challenge and ALL aspects need to be closely considered.

I would narrow the search to a half a dozen or so areas, and spend months doing research on the taxes, government, codes and laws that might affect you in some adverse unexpected way. Look at everything, consider the weather, resale (yes, you will sell to go in a nursing home or your heirs will sell, or you might not be happy and want to sell and move again, got to look at it)

I sit on my counties Board of Assessors (property tax) where I live in Georgia. Its very interesting, and should my present job "go south" I may get into property tax apprasial full time. In most states, the value of property, and the millage rate of the taxes on it, vary considerably from one locale to another. Want to live cheap? there are many places in rural Georgia that have low taxes, few hassles, and the comfortable rural small town feeling everyone wants. Problem is, few jobs. If you don't need a job, then have at it. There are small towns in Iowa where you can waltz in and buy a real nice little, older house for $20K or so, again no jobs, and oh yes, it snows in the winter.

Charles

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mjbrown

06-06-2006 18:17:26




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Wow! What about your farm makes it assesed so high? I have 160a. with house and small barn in Cayuga county, which has some of the best farmland in NY state and it's assesed at $225,000. The ag value assesment is $108,000. Taxes about $3500 combined school and county.



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Richard Fazio

06-07-2006 05:34:05




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to mjbrown, 06-06-2006 18:17:26  
Part of the problem is I actually have three different pieces. They are all together but I originally bought 47 acres, for $50,000 in 1994. Then three boardering acres came up for sale at $13,000 in 1998 or so. Then the last piece with the house on 2 acres that we just bought for $135,000 this year. I'm in Greene county, known for high taxes in a high tax state. If I combined everything I might get away with less taxes but they tell me that I could not subdivide the small pieces anymore. They have a minimum lot size now of 5 acres. I dodn't know what I'm going to to do so I hate to limit myself. We were going to put a house up on the 47 acres, but now we have this $135,000 wreck of a home. I may fix it up and rent it out and still build my own home.

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Slowpoke

06-08-2006 23:26:14




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-07-2006 05:34:05  
Richard, where in Greene County are you? I lived in Cairo for a few years.

Slowpoke



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Richard Fazio

06-09-2006 07:31:56




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Slowpoke, 06-08-2006 23:26:14  
Slowpoke, I'm just down the road from Cairo, in Acra. It's a small town within a town, in East Durham. I'm right on Route 23 just west of Angie's gas station/Bakery. This is where I was hoping to retire. My main house is on Long Island in Massapequa Park, and I work in Manhattan. Weekends I'm upstate.



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RB/CT

06-06-2006 17:56:40




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Thanks for starting an informative thread. The taxes in CT are the reason I have a small farm in Columbia County PA, and plan to move there. Too many Cronies making too much money on civil service jobs, with huge pensions and lifetime medical. Only answer is to do as the business are doing and leave.



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Richard Fazio

06-06-2006 17:05:13




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Wow, Alabama gets my vote. As some have mentioned there are many other things to consider. But just to get an idea on the taxes this is good. I will make a list up of all we find out so anyone interested can check it out. Thanks for the input.



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wh

06-06-2006 17:55:25




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 17:05:13  
even with cheap land tax our sales tax (ON EVERYTHING) is 8 1/2 to 10 % depending on what county you are in. state income tax did start at $4500 but this year was changed to $12000. gas tax is around 40 cents, there is a tax on motor oil, tires, batteries. sales tax is on food and medicene but not on animal feed. farm equipment/ cars/trucks is taxed at 3 1/2 %. still i am sure we are cheaper than many other states. also, our schools are funded way less than around 46 other states. IF (big if) they would spend it wisely our land tax could double and they could do wonders in our schools and no one that owned land would really be hurt.

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Charles (in GA)

06-06-2006 18:44:12




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to wh, 06-06-2006 17:55:25  
WH. you said what I wanted to, but am too nice to say. I grew up in Columbus, GA and now live southof Atlanta, and have been well aware for years now that while everyone bragged about the low property taxes in AL, most all other things were high. Everyone in Phenix City drives to Columbus to buy gas, and just try driving on an Alabama road at night, very little paint on the center line or edge lines, not reflective paint and no reflectors. Drive on a Georgia road at night, generally good paint, usually reflective and nearly all have center line reflectors, those ARE quality of life issues in my opinion, it does affect you and how you live. Not trying to say Alabama is bad, but you made the point well, if the money were properly budgeted schools, and many other things would improve, at little cost to the taxpayer.

Charles

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wh

06-06-2006 19:20:06




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Charles (in GA), 06-06-2006 18:44:12  
you are so right. we have about 1/3 the needed state troopers on the highway. in my area from 11 pm to 7 am there is 1 or 2 troopers for 9 counties. i teach welding at local career tech high school. i have 35 or so students each year and get less than $2000 state funds to operate on. you bought any metal or welding rods lately? if we were not allowed to build/sell projects we could not operate.

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Midwest redneck

06-06-2006 16:58:28




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
OUCH!!!. Taxes will kill ya. In Michigan, 15 miles outside of Flint, 40 miles north of Detroit. My house is on 2.5 wooded acres, 2500 sqft house with 1100sqft garage. Worth about $280,000 +/-. Yearly taxes are $5,100. In Michigan in 1994 there was a thing called proposal A it passed and it allowed anybody who currently owned a home to have their taxes reduced by about a 1/3, but as soon as the property changes hands then WHAM.... it is reassed to full value. My property was purchased in 1998 by me. This was to benefit the older folks who dont have kids. Taxes are way to high in Michigan and thats why people are leaving this state by the wagon load.

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Shovelman

06-06-2006 16:43:59




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Don't even consider the People's Republic of Connecticut. We live in a small town in the Northwest Hills on 43 acres with house & 2 barns. Assessment: $364,000. Annual taxes: $9800.

Not to mention that we also pay personal property taxes on vehicles as well - This year's bill will be almost $3000., on top of a 6% sales tax, State income tax, real estate conveyance tax, State fuel tax, luxury tax, etc., etc..

I almost forgot: A neighboring town has, get this.....a View Tax! If you have a nice view from your home, you pay extra.

It won't be long before we will be just like Europe. The Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves after seeing what a mess we have made of their beloved nation.

If it wasn't for our family, we would have left CT years ago.

Good luck with your search.

Scott

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Matt from CT

06-06-2006 17:47:06




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 37 Mill Rate...yousers! in reply to Shovelman, 06-06-2006 16:43:59  
I'm from Northeast CT.

I believe the current rate is 22 Mills. Part of it I'm sure is our local below-average income levels...we get pretty high reimbursement rates from the State for schools

Which means my small house on 12 acres with an assesment of $120,000 pays about $2,600 in taxes.

Re-assements used to by physical, once every 10 years...or when you sold, which ever came first.

To help minimize large, sudden shifts, I believe the current re-assesment schedule statewide is a physical assesment every 12 years, but with a statistical assesment in years 4 and 8 between the 12 year visits. And of course when sold or you apply for a building permit :)

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Midwest redneck

06-06-2006 16:59:19




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Shovelman, 06-06-2006 16:43:59  
I would move if I was you....convince the family to move too.



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George in Biloxi

06-06-2006 16:12:50




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Hi,
I work in Biloxi, however, live in Gulfport, Mississippi. I have 10 acres as two 5 acre parcels. The one with a home on it has homestead exemption filed on it. I pay around $1100 per year for both. The house is a brick home around 2400 sq ft. I do not know what the taxes will be in the near future as I am remodeling and adding a pretty big addition.

George



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Richard Fazio

06-07-2006 06:08:58




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to George in Biloxi, 06-06-2006 16:12:50  
George, What do you think your property is worth, or do you know the assessed value?



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George in Biloxi

06-07-2006 06:36:12




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-07-2006 06:08:58  
It is in the 200K range now (before the storm) and will be in the 400K range in a few more months. The assessed value is (with the city) is probably about half that now and in the future. I did not flood, just rain water damage. Home values and property has shot up around here lately. Homes in the 1400 sqft range are selling for $100 sqft with other homes in various areas and market in the $130+ sq ft. It is out of control. It is about time fer another tea party.

George

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wh

06-06-2006 14:51:28




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
cullman alabama - have 140 acres - 2/3 open rest in timber. 1 house with 2000 sq ft built in 1918, 1 70X60 barn, 1 40 X 50 barn/shop, 1 30 x 40 storage building, 3 car garage, paved road thru center, city water. acessed at $300,000 (updated annually) taxes this year are $212.00 -- YES -- that is not a misprint.



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woodbutcher

06-06-2006 14:09:54




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Apparantly my place is in one of those areas that is catching up on tax values. I have 82 acres of pastureland in northeast Texas with a four bedroom brick home. In the ten years I have owned it the taxes have doubled from $1,500 to $3,000. Assessed market value is $192,660.
Butch



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noncompos

06-06-2006 12:41:02




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
With all due respect here, for a place to retire land taxes are only one factor in many; you could be out of place in a lower-tax area but much happier in another place that had higher taxes, assuming they didn"t border on confiscatory...ALSO bear in mind a low tax area may be in the process of catching up (annual considerable rises in the future) while a higher tax area could be more stable as to future amounts...Also check to see if taxes will jump upon sale (if Grandpa"s place, in the family for 70 years, hasn"t been reassessed regularly, the sale price may allow a BIG jump in the taxes)...with sympathy, good luck.

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cj3b_jeep

06-06-2006 12:09:09




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Richard, it's kind of hard to judge since it varies so much from county to county. We have 6 acres, three bedroom log home, worth maybe $225,000. Our taxes are $2800 a year. Down south of me, say 50 miles, the same value property may have $1000 a year taxes. Ohio seems to have higher property taxes than most other states.



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shawnspeed3

06-06-2006 11:41:57




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to Richard Fazio, 06-06-2006 10:58:00  
Suburbs 50 mi N. of detriot MI 27ac w/4bdrm cape cod , 1 barn ,aprazed at 275,000.00 taxes about 1500.00 yr. Mom and my uncles own some land in south central KY, just off I-75, 134ac vacant,and the taxes were around 400.00 a year. they had purchased the adjoinig 40 ac for back taxes,(2000.00) but I am not sure how many years were owed. Shawn



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Stickler

06-06-2006 18:24:49




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 Re: O/T Your local taxes / Land value around the c in reply to shawnspeed3, 06-06-2006 11:41:57  
Southwestern saskatchewan, canada. 40 acres, 200 sq ft house, 2 car garage, barn, 8 other outbuildings, own well and septic field. Value 50 grand. Total taxes $255/yr, of which $200 is school tax. But.....how's 48% income tax grab ya?



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