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Oxy acetelyne rig

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George in Bilox

05-31-2006 10:06:18




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Hi y'all,
What are the good brands in rigs today? What do y'all suggest. I am in the market for a new torch set. I typically need to heat, perhaps braze, and will need to cut from time to time. Usually 1/4 to 3/4" thick but want versatility with out going crazy. Any recomendations as to numbers, rose bud, and accessories appreciated.

We have been real dry on the gulf coast. That is good in a way not to stop projects. I just hope no more fires break out.

Hope all is well and you get rain or dry up some,
George

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chvet73

06-02-2006 09:26:46




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-31-2006 10:06:18  
I took T-Bone"s advice on the 100 a few years ago. Best torch I"ve ever used.



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SHeiserman

06-01-2006 19:44:38




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-31-2006 10:06:18  
I must be the only guy in the world that prefers the larger torch. We use Victor, and I believe Journeyman is the model name. It's been some time since I've seen a new one, so the models may have changed. Bigger torch is obviously heavier, and as far as I'm concerned, helps keep torch steady freehand or dragging the hand. You can keep the left hand further from the heat than you can with the small torch. 99% of the guys I've run into prefer the lighter torches, they also seem to like grinding. I learned on the bigger torch and maybe it's as simple as what you're used to. Either way, a clean tip is the only way to fly.

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Ken in Mich

06-01-2006 05:33:09




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-31-2006 10:06:18  
There are several brands out there, and they all work just fine. My suggestion would be to buy the brand your local welding supply handles, because you will occasionally need parts or tips. The tips are brand specific, IOW a Victor tip wont necessarily fit another brand, and the numbering system on the tips are different. When I retired from the trades, I bought the small Victor torch, I mostly use the 0 tip which makes a clean cut, most my projects have been small thicknesses 1/8 to 3/4", but a larger tip is easier to use (quicker heat).

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T_Bone

06-01-2006 04:44:52




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-31-2006 10:06:18  
Hi George,

I like the Victor 100 as it's small and light weight so hand fatique is less. Less hand fatigue the straighter the cut.

A #3 cutting tip works well as it'll cut 1-1/2" material and 16ga SM and the orifice holes are not so small for my tired old eyes.

A #0 brazing tip for 99% of my brazing, soldering welding, and pre-heating.

A small rose bud just incase I want more heat. Used 2 times in 20yrs.

Single stage regulators for the typical home/small shop.

25ft of 3/16" Goodyear O/A hose. 1/8" hose if you can find it. 1/4" with connectors if I need a longer hose.

A 3/4 #4 colored face sheild. I've always hated goggles since I ware corrective lens.

Any thing more than that was a waste of money for me even when I was working the trade.

Whatever you choose to buy, don't buy a club, ie a large bodied torch. Your cuts will suffer if you do. Keep the torch and hose as small as you can for accurate free hand cuts.

T_Bone

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ric1

06-04-2006 06:23:03




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to T_Bone, 06-01-2006 04:44:52  
check out the harris brand here in ohio you can buy 25ft of hose both gauges the torch striker for about $180.00 i use one about everyday on my welding truck



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George in Biloxi

06-01-2006 10:04:22




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to T_Bone, 06-01-2006 04:44:52  
Hey T-Bone,
Is that what it is known by? Victor 100. And, is that the complete set kinda thing or do you need to by guage assemblies seperate? If so, three inch, etc. Thanks for your input over the years.

George



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T_Bone

06-01-2006 14:33:44




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to George in Biloxi, 06-01-2006 10:04:22  
Hi George,

Yes, it's a Victor model #100. Someone looking a couple years ago had a hard time finding the #100 mixing body. I just happen to look in Northeren Tool catalog and seen the #100. I called and it indeed was the model 100, but not all numbers advertised were.

I really don't think it was any cheaper than your local welding supply or online welding supply prices. I'm not going to order from Northeren Tool again as I keep sending more junk back than I keep as there quality has went to heII.

As long as the kit had those minimum componets, #100 mixing body, cutting head, #3 cutting tip, #0 brazing tip, 25ft 3/16" Goodyear O/A hose, single stage regulatora, I'd be a happy camper, and usually about $150 or so for the kit, less the hose.

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I've never bought from the above company's but they do have pretty pictures :)

T_Bone

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George in Biloxi

06-01-2006 06:31:31




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to T_Bone, 06-01-2006 04:44:52  
Thanks for all the info. From you and all. It is good to know. I usually over buy.

Thanks again,
George



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Kathy Harrigan

05-31-2006 12:24:48




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-31-2006 10:06:18  
Hi George,

Victor torches and gauges are sort of the industry standard, as I'm sure you already know. Smith makes a high quality torch which comes with a lifetime guarantee. Its attractive features include a reversible lever for the cutting oxygen, and a system where the gases mix in the head rather than in the body of the torch. Smith tips are more expensive than most other brands, but it's a one time purchase, and they can be gotten cheaper on eBay. Speaking of which, I think eBay is a good place to buy this kind of equipment. I got a new-in-the-package Smith cutting torch, and 6 or 7 new-in-the-package cutting tips (from a different seller) for very good prices there. With used equipment my results have been more mixed. I got a rebuilt Victor cutting torch which still has a minor problem, and a set of Victor regulators with a major problem (they don't work), but I bought them as is, so they're my problems now.

I have a suggestion for you to consider: Look into the possibility of using propane instead of, or in addition to, acetylene. Some manufacturers require a different torch body altogether to use propane, while some claim that their torches will work with only a different tip. Propane uses the same regulators that acetylene uses, but you're supposed to use a different type of hose (if you initially buy type T hose for propane, you can use it for acetylene, too.) You can cut and braze with propane, but not weld. Propane is cheaper than acetylene but it uses more oxygen, so you might not see savings there. The major advantages are propane's universal availability, the low cost of tanks, and its relative safety compared to acetylene.

All the best, Stan

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JMS/MN

05-31-2006 15:47:00




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to Kathy Harrigan, 05-31-2006 12:24:48  
If Smith has a lifetime guarantee- why did I pay for a rebuild?



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Stan in Oly, WA

05-31-2006 17:35:48




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to JMS/MN, 05-31-2006 15:47:00  
Uh...didn't own a model with a lifetime guarantee? I said Smith makes a torch with a lifetime guarantee, not that all Smith torches have a lifetime guarantee. I'll bet you actually knew the answer and you're just cantankerous. Isn't the Minnesota state motto "Buddy, I don't think you know what you're talking about."? But I often do know what I'm talking about.

Stan



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JMS/MN

06-02-2006 10:34:45




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-31-2006 17:35:48  
I always thought you had such a cute screen name- so why do you have to be such an insulting dork? Too much Olympia? Can't even remember whose name to post by. Actually our State motto is 'Star of the North'- E'toile du Nord. Another common one is 'Minnesota Nice'- because we treat people well and are helpful folks- like so many others on these boards and in this country.



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Stan in Oly, WA

06-04-2006 19:20:05




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to JMS/MN, 06-02-2006 10:34:45  
Hi JMS,

You're right, I was out of line. Please accept my apology. Actually I find people from your part of the country to be genreous, even tempered, and intelligent. I don't know what possessed me to be so rude, particularly since I'm aware that you presonally are the source of much well reasoned advice and useful information on this board.

I feel that I'm not too sensitive about having someone point out that I'm mistaken, but apparently I am too sensitive when I feel that someone is suggesting that I'm making it up as I go. Usually I have the good sense to refrain from replying until I've let some time go by; in this case, not to my credit, I didn't do that.

When I post a reply I click on the boxes following Name: and E-Mail: and drop down boxes with that information allow me to add it with another click. Sometimes information my wife has entered in some other program entirely appears with the drop down choices and I click on it without paying much attention. I find that I'm capable of a perfectly adequate level of carelessness without the assistance of alcohol. When I did drink, I never drank Olympia. Never cared for it.

I hope you'll accept my apology and let us put this behind us. You came out the better man in the exchange. I can almost guarantee that you weren't the only person to notice that I was being an insulting dork for no apparent reason.

All the best, Stan

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Stan in Oly, WA

05-31-2006 12:27:58




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to Kathy Harrigan, 05-31-2006 12:24:48  
Hi George,

My wife didn't actually write that. I didn't notice that I had clicked on her name until it was a done deal. I'm sure she would agree with what I said, though, if she had any idea what I was talking about.

Stan



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George in Biloxi

05-31-2006 13:12:44




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-31-2006 12:27:58  
Thank y'all for the replies. I was wonderin about that post. Not to gig any women out there, but when I seen a woman's name and talkin the talk, I thought it was a sales person..... ..

Thanks again,
George



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JMS/MN

05-31-2006 12:16:45




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-31-2006 10:06:18  
Had an NCG for about 20 years, finally needed parts and they were not available. Bought a Smith- parts are current- needed one rebuild in last 18 years. Victor is a good heavy duty torch as well.



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wfw

05-31-2006 11:56:55




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 Re: Oxy acetelyne rig in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-31-2006 10:06:18  
don't get the one from harbor freight tools, I bought one from them, one of the regulators went bad within the first year, then the hoses went bad, then the other regulator started acting up. I got a smith from national welders and haven't had any troubles with it yet. not trying to plug anyone just what i have used. if I had payed a little more to begin with I probably would have not had any problems

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