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Billeau

05-28-2006 09:44:52




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I had to move my scrap & metal piles yesterday so I now have them in piles.

I think I want to haul some off, but need to know what exactly needs to be grouped specififcally for recycling.

I might have as much as 1100lb mixed

For example: My steel pile has both steel parts and materials scrap, along with cast iron parts such as old water pumps and manifolds. Can I toss in the a few pieces of sheet steel? Shock absorbers? Or will that hurt the description when I go to recycle.

Is cast iron worth so much more that a couple hundred pounds is worthy of taking it in seperated in a barrel?

I've got an Aluminum pile including a motorcycle engine, and a few wheels. Is it ok to leave on a couple of motorcycle tires?


Is there any industy standard type descriptions for scrap metals, so I don't go in there getting a bad deal or being an idiot?

If they "pick" my load with a magnet it might make seperating it in the pick up a bit more difficult.

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Slowpoke

05-31-2006 00:54:22




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
Local scrap yard pays nothing for under 500# mixed scrap. Give it to them or take it home. But new rebar is $700/ton at Home Depot.



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whiteywi

05-29-2006 15:16:04




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
yard standards all depend on who they sell to. to get the best price take straight loads prepared unprepared or tin when you bring in mixed loads they have to sort material with big machines and therefore cant pay as much



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Rustyj14

05-29-2006 11:34:41




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
About twice a month, i take a load of aluminum scrap to the scrap yard. It is mainly old storm doors, cast aluminum car wheels, window screen frames, old car rads, anything made of aluminum. If you want top dollar for "clean alum", remove every last bit of steel, in the doors, windows, screens, wheels, or anything else. Our scrap yard has an "Irony Alum" deal, where they pay 15-18 cents per pound for that stuff. If you leave any steel or iron in the clean alum., they will give you irony price for it! And, they won't pay much for wheels with tires left on them! As for the car radiators, i cut off any steel parts, like at the top and bottom of the core, and get top price for it! The yard i deal with just opened a car crusher, and they will take old yard machinery with the wheels on it, but i have to drain out the oil and gas. Old refrigerators must have the yellow sticker on them! Any white goods are taken in whole, at sheet tin prices. I don't have the latest printed price sheet yet, but they do give them out. I think the company, Neville Metals, on Neville Island, near Sewickley and Pittsburgh, Pa., is about the most friendly, honest, scrap company around. I have dealt with others, but could feel the "sharp point" going in! I had heard of other scrap dealers in this area, and all of their tricks, to shaft the public, but i don't deal with them! Of course, i didn't just fall off the turnip truck, and i know all about "short weights" and i think it probably does go on at places, but PA. runs a rather tight ship on weights and measures! And, if you don't get yer load weighed someplace else, how do you know if you were "short weighed"? Rustyj
PS: And, one piece of steel, be it a steel screw, a hinge, door handle, will cause the parts of an alum storm door to get the irony aluminum price, as will old lawn mower engines! I always scrap the cylinder heads separately, to get full clean cast price for them!

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Glen in TX

05-29-2006 09:39:07




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
Call the scrap yards for prices and what they want and pay. Here cast iron seems to be worth nothing like tin and ruins the load getting you docked. I've found that usually the scrap yard that has been in business the least amount of time will pay better and hasn't learned how to stick it to you yet like others. If they try to stick it to you and another yard is close drive off and dump at another one. If they won't quote a estimate price on phone or before dumping don't do business with them.

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Jerry F

05-29-2006 09:01:33




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
I'll chime in with the others that it varies greatly by location and yard. The only yard in my area has us over a barrel. You call ahead and ask the questions , get down there with your iron and then he finds just one thing to knit pick and refuses it. after awhile he says he will take it if I just want to dump it but wont pay for it at all. He has done this to me and everyone I know who has ever been there. We have a hard time finding scrap iron guys in our area because of this cheapskate. One scrap iron guy I met onetime was from another town and he said he had to haul to another town 60 miles away to get a fair price.

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MF294-4

05-28-2006 20:36:25




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
I also took a load of mostly truck parts, springs etc. to the local junk yard. Got tin price because of a few pieces of something in the load.I thought i was very lucky to get away without ruining some tires or getting stuck. My wife wants to clean the place up but I told her it's not worth the chance of runing tires. I'll let it lay and listen to her complain.



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thejdman01

05-28-2006 17:22:46




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
Agree with what is said (policys very gratly and price does too). but last 2 times i have gone to scrap yard with pickup have gotton flat tires and any more is not worth it to me to mess eith. usaully only take 1/2 ton or so at a time 60 bucks and a flat tire later im headed home? wortth it ? no, local scrap guy picks up waht little i have when in the area works out better for me.



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Sid

05-28-2006 15:26:11




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
Last time we took a load this is what happened. They weighed the truck sent me out to ther alumanim section and Helped me unload the bulk of load which was storm door parts and such. Sent me back to the scales (had about forty pounds) then had me back up to a dock and unload the rest of it. The guy there sorted it out and weighed each separate type,even weighed an old radiator core by itself. I was suprised at what little amount of automotive cast weighed and what they paid me for it. I plan taking a load some morning, while waiting for hay to dry, hope they treat me at least half as nice this time.

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ReddTom

05-28-2006 14:10:52




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
I'm no expert other than a load every other year or so but my friend hauls regularily. In my area, heavy steel 2 foot and under pays the best, like angle an channel, but it has to be short. Cast is worht seperating but he may knock of some for less than a ton. Aluminum will pay mixed price if its exactly that, "mixed". Cast alum, extrusions, and shhet alum each pay different. Same policy with all non ferrous metals. I just found out that reg wheel rims from cars etc pay a seperate "alloy free" price. If you load it all together you will get the "tin" price which is the lowest price. But you know, in my area that's 120$ a ton. Not bad for bike frames and office furniture:)

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Stan in Oly, WA

05-28-2006 11:18:08




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
Hi Billeau,

Scrap dealers are individual businesses who set their own policies and usually aren't too helpful about telling you exactly what those policies are. If there is any such thing as an industry standard it is this: any single load of scrap will be priced at the value of its least valuable component. For example, if you had a load of clean, unpainted mild steel scrap from a manufacturing process, it would be be worth top dollar. If you threw in a few pieces of painted steel, say a few drawers from a metal filing cabinet, the scrap dealer would offer you the value of painted steel for the whole load, possibly only a third of the value of the clean steel. Appliances or any metal with non-metal components attached is much worse. Sheathed copper wire is worth only a fraction of the value of bare copper, etc.

I have garages full of painted steel which was left beside dumpsters at an apartment complex where I recently worked (their garages, not mine.) I offered it to the welding program of the local community because they sell their scrap regularly. They turned it down. The local (Olympia) scrap dealer won't pay for it at all, and the larger dealer in Tacoma, 25 miles away, pays so little for painted steel that it isn't worth the driving and handling involved to deal with it. That isn't to say that painted steel isn't worth a good price somewhere where there's more competition for it. But not here.

Best of luck, Stan

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big jt

05-28-2006 10:52:48




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
I haven't found a industry standard yet. Usually depends on your local buyer. If all you have is 1100 lbs it isn't worth getting real bent out of shape over. I am a small timer at this and I usually haul in 1 to 1.5 ton at a time. Half a ton will easily fit in a PU box.

As to sorting Tires are usually a issue of some sort, some outfits will take them but discount. Cut your shocks open and drain the oil. Sort out the easy cast and stuff with a little steel in (like bolts and studs). Sort the aluminum with steel out and the dense stuff because it will have hi zinc. I should say the semi precious metals (aluminum and Copper) are still a bit of a mystery to me.

Hope this helps

jt

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CRUSADER

05-28-2006 14:04:26




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to big jt, 05-28-2006 10:52:48  
It makes a person wonder if it's worth recycling. Prior to joining the military in '85 I used to haul scrap iron when it got built up too much and was no longer in any way useable for anything else. We didn't make enough money to speak about, but it returned the scrap for re-use. The one garage I worked in we generated quite a bit of cast iron, and that paid a lot better than the rest when it was separated.

What really torqued me was last year when I replaced the radiator on my car that had one of the plastic tanks rupture. The parts store didn't want the core so instead of throwing it away I took it to a radiator shop and tried to give it to them. They told me to throw it in the dumpster at home becuase it would cost them more than it was worth to fix and sell. I thought that this was a little odd, but I took it home and trashed it. It's pretty bad when as expensive as replacement parts are getting that you can't even give something away to be repaired and sold for profit.

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big jt

05-28-2006 16:41:27




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to CRUSADER, 05-28-2006 14:04:26  
I would say it is worth recycling. I am on the low end dealer list at my local buyer. Get $100 to $160 a ton for ferrous stuff.

Sometimes I can't quite figure them out though. Hauled 80 rod of woven wire fence last week and got graded Unprepared. Always before it would have graded tin&wire. Difference of $100 to $110 a ton but it was clearly T&W.

As to repairing your radiator. They are right. Alot of those are robotically made so the price is cheap for a replacement. Also having a used one around to sell would seem like a good idea until you think about how many you would have after a while.

jt

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Blue3992

05-28-2006 10:51:00




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 Re: OT Scrap metals in reply to Billeau, 05-28-2006 09:44:52  
Call the scrap yard, or better yet a couple of yards. Ask them those questions.

I've been slowly cleaning out a farm that is loaded with scrap of all different kinds, and it seems like the the local scrap yards have completely different standards of what they will take and how much they'll pay for it.



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