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Extension Cord for ARC welder

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Quebec Bob

05-26-2006 11:46:02




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I just bought an older style Linclon ARC welder from a man down the road who is now too old to bother with it. Recently I installed a proper 220 outlet in the tack room and put my air compressor in it to keep it warm in the winter and to keep the noise down. My workshop is near the tackroom and I ran the air lines over to the workshop. I am pleased with this set-up.

The problem is the welder plug cord isn't long enough for me to run through the tack room wall from the alley outside, to reach the 220 socket located inside the tack room. The cord is only 5 feet long and I need about 8 feet. Is it okay to put an 8 footer on it or are these things purposely kept short for power? Will this cost more than the $100 I paid for the welder (with a helmet, two chipping hammers, 3 boxes of 7011 rods, and other stuff)? I am hesitant to put longer leads on the welding lines themselves as they would have to run around the tack room door and out through the gutter to get to where I will be using the welder.

If my explanation of all this is readable enough to make sense to someone I'd appreciate your input.

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Slowpoke

05-31-2006 00:12:37




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 Re: Extension Cord for ARC welder in reply to Quebec Bob, 05-26-2006 11:46:02  
When I got my new 240 amp mig welder the cord was about 8' long and pencil sized metric at that. Probably an equivilent to 14 ga. I had a 14' piece of 12/3 heavy duty cord, so I opened the welder, changed cords, and have had no problems. I also made up an extension cord from a 35' length of 8/3 and welded 5/8" thick material with no problems. Just buy a new cord of the length needed or longer; it may cost more to make a short extension with the 2 required fittings than the cord and one plug. Recepticals get expensive.

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Glen in TX

05-29-2006 09:53:17




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 Re: Extension Cord for ARC welder in reply to Quebec Bob, 05-26-2006 11:46:02  
Get a extension of wire the length and size you need for another plug or extension cord and keep it rolled out and not rolled up when using for less amperage loss. Using extra extension welding leads all rolled up gives you more amperage loss than using a extension power cord of the proper size. Wire coming in to plug from source needs to be of sufficient size too. We have used a 150 ft. #6 extension cord we made up on a AC welder in corrals or on power washer for years with no problems.

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J.C.H.

05-26-2006 21:14:35




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 Re: Extension Cord for ARC welder in reply to Quebec Bob, 05-26-2006 11:46:02  
My solution to that problem was to buy another set of Ground and Weld Leads ,join them with the ones supplied with the Welder and I have had no problems for 20 years or so with this set up. I leave the Welder sit by the Outlet and take the Ground and Weld lead to the job ,usually just out side the shop door.Works for me. Notice no Voltage or Amperage drop.



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John T

05-26-2006 14:44:14




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 Re: Extension Cord for ARC welder in reply to Quebec Bob, 05-26-2006 11:46:02  
Bob, there would be no problem extending the cord length from 5 feet to 8 feet whatsoever. I ran a similar extension for my Lincoln 225 Amp Buzz Box Tombstone Welder even longer then that, No. 8 wire is sufficient. If you had say an extermely longer cord then you may wanna bump that up to No. 6 to reduce voltage drop. The cord uses 2 hots (240 volt) and an equipment ground.

John T Retired Electrical Engineer

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Bus Driver

05-26-2006 13:10:55




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 Re: Extension Cord for ARC welder in reply to Quebec Bob, 05-26-2006 11:46:02  
Unless welding continuously, #8 will be sufficient for almost any welder. If this is a 225 amp AC (AC only) Lincoln, # 10 will be adequate for the supply conductors. Use nothing smaller.



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old

05-26-2006 13:09:51




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 Re: Extension Cord for ARC welder in reply to Quebec Bob, 05-26-2006 11:46:02  
I had the same sort of problem you have not enough cord for where I wanted the welder. I made up a cord for it. I used either 3/6 or 3/8 house type wire and ran it over head and then down to where the welder sits on the wall. Ya my welder is up off the ground about 3 foot. Makes it nice so you don't have to bend over to turn it on or set the heat on it

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David - OR

05-26-2006 12:14:12




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 Re: Extension Cord for ARC welder in reply to Quebec Bob, 05-26-2006 11:46:02  
Assuming this is an ordinary "Tombstone" welder at 225 Amps AC, then an ordinary electric range cord from Home Depot should work fine as a replacement cord, assuming you can find one long enough. If the premade ones are too short, buy yourself some SOO or SOW hard service electrical cord and make one up yourself.

The electrical code allows substantial derating for wire and connector ampacity for welders. Article 630 allows you to derate the nameplate primary amps by a factor that depends on the nameplate duty cycle when selecting branch circuit conductor ampacity.

A difference in length between 5 feet vs 10 feet will not have voltage drop issues.

You are better off extending the primary circuit than extending the welding leads. Welding cable is a lot more expensive than 240 VAC wiring.

One possible path is to just extend the air compressor branch circuit and add another receptacle. The problem with this is that you would then be sharing the same circuit between the air compressor and the welder. Unless you have provisions to lock out the compressor while welding, you risk overloading the branch circuit and popping the breaker, if both happen to operate at once.

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