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O/T rant copper prices and global market

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George in Bilox

05-22-2006 12:38:23




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Man oh man,
Well, the buying of Chinese products over the years has driven out our manufacturers (and of course the EPA, taxes, etc.) and now, they have a lot of our money and are having a building boom. In addition to us having disposable crap in the stores, concrete is $86.00 a yrd, a 1000' spool of 12/2 is $410.00. 90% of scrap copper is going to China. I guess they can afford it more than we can. I have to vent. We are in for a world of hurt boys (and girls). What really bothers me is this is only the beginning. I wonder when the world will price us out of meat, potatoes, and corn??

George

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Oliver power

05-23-2006 07:02:50




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-22-2006 12:38:23  
Does anyone ever stop and think about it? Maybe I'm off base here. But , I don't think so. I think our own companies , which moved to China are taking American resources with them , in order to run the factories. Then they tell the American people it's China's(or who ever's)fault. When in reallity , it's our own companies hiding behind the foreign names. Example: KODAK can not compete with CHINA. What they are not saying is ; it's KODAK of china , which KODAK of USA can not compete with. Many of the big corporate's are playing the game.

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Steve Crum

05-23-2006 05:49:10




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-22-2006 12:38:23  
There are no easy answers, America was sold up the river years ago by bleeding heart liberals that felt bad after going in and kicking a$$, Then completely rebuilding them to better than ever. Now all our brightest minds are subdued by cheap thrills and easy paths. The cost of higher education is almost un-obtainably high but of course if you don't have it no matter how smart or how able you are, YOUR NOTHING! China and India lead the way in engineering and productivity. Just the things that America was built on, but now shuns. Worst part is American companys still cannot shake their arrogant attitudes which are driving people to offshore suppliers in droves. I have a load of domestic made stainless tubing coming in this morning. The cost of this and the BS I had to go thru to get it I don't care to discuss. But it will likely be the last of the domestic made I order. I have 2 suppliers of offshore manufactured tubing knocking on my door. The domestic made suppliers won't even waste their time talking to somebody who orders less the 20 grand worth the material at a time. So are we not the primary cause of our own problems? Doe's anybody really think an operation like GM for instance can compete With better management, quality, efficency, goverment cooperation and pricing of an operation like Honda or Toyota By waving the American flag and a 'save American jobs' banner? Once America decides to leave the picnic and get back in the fields and get the haying done, MAYBE there will be a chance.

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oldrustycars

05-22-2006 21:25:39




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-22-2006 12:38:23  
was doing brakes on my van, i could NOT find rotors that were not made in china.



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old

05-22-2006 21:23:50




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-22-2006 12:38:23  
Biggest thing that worrys me is the fact that Japan did the same thing years ago, and then used the steel to hit us hard when we where not looking on Dec 7 . Will china maybe do the same thing and try to start WW-3



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Itchy

05-23-2006 14:34:43




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to old, 05-22-2006 21:23:50  
If we were selling nuc secrets to them and telling them how to make a bomb we might get hit.



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Wascally Wabbit

05-25-2006 00:35:10




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to Itchy, 05-23-2006 14:34:43  
Ah, but that has already happened during the 90's, when the dope smoking, draft dodger, who LOATHES the military, sold our strategic nuclear secrets to his masters and mentors in Bejing, so he could gain favour with his fellow communists.



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in sticks

05-22-2006 18:02:57




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-22-2006 12:38:23  
as for what copper prices are doing. i read that up in main the power company is having trouble with thieves stealing the copper grounding wire from their sub stations.sombody is in for a shock before long i bet



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Rockyhawaii

05-22-2006 21:01:05




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to in sticks, 05-22-2006 18:02:57  
In Hawaii, thieves have been cutting down light poles along the freeway and taking the wire, even during the day. The poles are tall, maybe thirty feet and made of aluminum, but with the price of copper, they now leave the aluminum behind where-as they used to take it. They hit about ten at a time, the police haven't caught anyone as of yet, so I guess a falling light pole with a group of men standing under it with a target saw and loading up a truck with wire is too much for our cops or anyone else to handle. No-one has seen a thing.

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Midwest redneck

05-22-2006 16:39:54




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-22-2006 12:38:23  
True those chinks are gobbling up the resources but we are guilty of going over there to save a few bucks for greeds sake. A year ago scrap copper was $1 a lb.



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chris cogburn

05-22-2006 13:58:37




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to George in Biloxi, 05-22-2006 12:38:23  
Generally speaking I am in complete agreement. BUT there's something else happening in China that many folks don't know about: agricultural production is being pushed aside for more 'modern' uses. Mao did it before during 'The Great Leap Forward', and millions of Chinese died in the resulting famine. Millions of farmers have been pushed off the land to make room for golf courses and factories. Before long China will have to start importing food. And the worm will turn once again...

c.

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George in Biloxi

05-22-2006 16:50:55




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 Re: O/T rant copper prices and global market in reply to chris cogburn, 05-22-2006 13:58:37  
Yep, kinda my point at the bottom. When our money is all over there, they will be able to afford our crops more than we can. And there will be a big demand for it to go there. All y'all farmers get ready, your gonna be rich..... . Well, someone will. Y'all will probably get to work more. You know "a little more work, a little less money".



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