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Bud in NC

05-20-2006 17:59:24




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OK � we got hit hard by last week - some it was 2-1/2" diameter! Anyway, our 12-year-old roofs gotta be replaced. Insurance did their pro-rated thing - got no problem with them!
We're considering going to a metal roof. We know that it�ll cost at least twice what a shingle roof will so we�re trying to get the facts down before we start talking to roofing contractors. Way back yonder when I was young I did some shingle roofing. It was standard to "re-roof" unless there were already 2 or 3 layers of shingles in place. Here's the questions - 1) When you go to a metal roof do the old shingles need to be removed?
2) Does the new metal roof need to be installed on 1x4's screwed/nailed to the old roof or does it go directly on the shingles?
3) If 1x4 furring strips are required, should there be insulation in the air gap between the new metal roof and the old shingles?
4) If insulation is recommended, what type? Foam, fiberglass, or something else?
Our house is about 10 years old and is well insulated � we�re in Western NC � about the minium lowest temps here are still above 0�
Fill me in, guys � I�ve learned � if any bunch on Earth knows the answers, it�s the bunch reading this! Thanks for any info!!!!

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Bud in NC

05-21-2006 09:24:31




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 Re: Metal Roofs? in reply to Bud in NC, 05-20-2006 17:59:24  
Thanks for the info, Guys!



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Boley

05-20-2006 21:49:05




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 Re: Metal Roofs? in reply to Bud in NC, 05-20-2006 17:59:24  
I talked to a roofing contractor seven years ago that was putting a metal roof on a new jail I was helping build about a metal roof for my home.He told me that insurance companys were requiring a "rider" for metal roofs.This surprised me,as I thought a metal roof to be the final answer to roof problems.He went on to explain that metal roofs cost more and would be dented by hail,and many homeowners would expect it to be replaced if only dented up,not otherwise damaged.Anyway last year we opted for a shingle roof after a big hailstorm,some of the neighbors chose metal.Some houses here look great with the metal,some look like the owners were just following a fad,depends on the style of the house and it's setting,I suppose.The roofers stripped mine to the decking,don't know about the others that chose metal.

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Bud in NC

05-20-2006 18:00:34




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 Re: Metal Roofs? in reply to Bud in NC, 05-20-2006 17:59:24  
Brain cramp!!!! It was hail storm!!!!



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meadowstonefarm

05-20-2006 18:41:36




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 Re: Metal Roofs? in reply to Bud in NC, 05-20-2006 18:00:34  
i'm putting my 4th metal roof on this weekend. put one of my house, barn, goat shed, now on a hay shed. they aren't that expensive if you install them yourself. they were less expensive before steel prices went up. this one is about 120lf and cost me just over $500 with all the trim and screws. i have bought only fabral roofing (check out their website) and have been very happy with it. i would suggest reading the manual THOROUGHLY if you are installing yourself, as it can get complicated. all the answers to your questions are in their manual (downloadable off their website) but here goes:

1) you can leave the shingles on but be sure the new metal roof on top of it doesn't exceed your roof loading design. it tried to roof over the shingles on my barn (3 layers) but the sheathing was too far gone so we had to strip it.

2) it absolutely has to be put on a purlin system. 2 reasons: the constant movement of the building will cause the shingles to abrade through the metal if in direct contact and the condensation on the underside of the metal roof ha s to be allowed to drain freely.

3) don't insulate gaps...see drainage above

4) see above.

just a note...if you get large hail it will punch right through a metal roof. a client of mine (i work at a building engineering company) in minnesota is putting a very thick shingle on his new roof (forget the name) as it's the only product they've found out there that bounces the hail off without damaging the roof

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Mark

05-20-2006 19:51:55




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 Re: Metal Roofs? in reply to meadowstonefarm, 05-20-2006 18:41:36  
I had a metal roof put on my house 2 years ago and I promise, there is no looking back.

I hired a local contractor to do mine and I think they did a fine job. They furred over the single layer of shingles and screwed everything down. My house is 28x48...the roof will be a tad longer/wider...anyway, it cost me $3300 installed. I wouldn't worry about hail punching holes in it....if that ever happens, call the insurance company again!

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Dachshund

05-20-2006 20:23:38




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 Re: Metal Roofs? in reply to Mark , 05-20-2006 19:51:55  
Go with shingles. Tin roofs were meant for sheds, not houses. Back in my inspection days I looked at hundreds of homes with "properly" installed metal roofing, done by qualified contractors. There was ALWAYS damage to the roof structure of the home, and/or other effects due to trapped moisture that couldn't escape. Tin just doesn't breathe like wood/shingles. Also not a big fan of metal "wrapped" window/door trim. I've taken apart THOUSANDS of wrapped windows/doors and have yet to find one that didn't have rot underneath the metal. Not starting a range war, this is just what I have found!

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chris cogburn

05-22-2006 15:21:57




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 Re: Metal Roofs? in reply to Dachshund, 05-20-2006 20:23:38  
I recently had a structure built with a metal roof. And a curved one at that! 40' radius arc, in case you're wondering. Interesting roof system: 3/4" plywood like for a shingle roof, then some kind of bad-axe-mother-fletcher asphalt-based stick-on membrane stuff (holy catfish that stuff was thick and sticky!), then a standing-seam roof. The seams were sealed using a special ribbing material, like a little upside-down U-channel with a barbed rubber sealing element inside. The ribs had to be pre-bent to follow the curve, but the sheets flexed enough to lay smooth. I don't think there's any screws, except maybe around the penetrations. Regardless, it looks first-class and is guaranteed for a LONG time.

Around here shingle roofs take a pounding. Metal roofs seem to hold up just fine. Another bonus is metal roofs reflect sun a little better, and don't hold the heat like composition roofs. On the Habitat for Humanity houses I've worked on, we used 5V galv roofing screwed into 2x4 purlins, and radiant barrier material under that. In the years we've done it that way we haven't had any problems. I think they're a bit easier for the unskilled, i.e. volunteers, to install. Harder to walk on though; I've nearly slid off a couple!

c.

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