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Sam

03-05-2001 21:46:38




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You guys have been talking about trailers and seem to be pretty knowledgeable. I recently bought a 35 ton Pitts lowboy trailer to replace my shopmade 25 ton one. I never bent my shopmade one, other than normal wear and tear, and had very few cracks. Trailer held up well hauling a D6 and 40klbs excavators. I used the best steel I could get my hands on 15 years ago. My new trailer is built out of T-1 steel. My old shopmade trailer weighs 2klbs more than the new one and they are roughly the same length, 40' old, 42' new. My question is how much stronger is T-1. I know that it is stronger and will stand stress cracks better than my old one, but how much better.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

03-06-2001 09:17:48




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 Re: Trailer Metal in reply to Sam, 03-05-2001 21:46:38  
T-1 is a tool steel containing tungsten, chrome and vanadium. It's actually of the high speed steel variety and it's mechanical properties can be manipulated in several ways. In general, 1/8" of T-1 has about the same strength as an inch of mild steel. Proper procedure and filler metal selection are important when joining, repairing, etc. Undesirable changes in the mechanical properties of the metal will eventually lead to castrophic failure in time. Especially if the process is repeated.

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Greg

03-06-2001 11:22:55




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 Re: Re: Trailer Metal in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 03-06-2001 09:17:48  
Hi Steve: My knowledge on metallurgy and metals can't even compare with your's in different applications, would like to toss out a Quote from Ryerson's Stock list book, under the plate section, which may not even apply in a trailer app?. Need to practice typing anyway. *grin*

"GUIDE TO SECTION
CONSTRUCTION ALLOYS [1]

CONSTRUCTION ALLOYS are quenched and tempered high strength alloy steels produced to minimum mechanical properties with a yield strength nearly 3 times that of A36 structural steel. This material offers high strength plus good workability and weldability with minimum pre-heating. Plus exceptional toughness at low atmospheric temperatures {to -50 degrees F]. Used extensively for component parts and as liners for construction equipment, mining machinery, truck bodies, chutes, and wear plates.

T-1 TYPE A {ASTM A514 GRADE B] -- Stocked in thicknesses through 1 1/4". Has a lower alloy content than the original T-1 but the same strength. Lowest priced of the T-1 allloys. Idenitification color: green-pink-orange.

T-1 TYPE A 321 MIN. BIN--Same as Type A except with greater hardness for improved abrasion resistance. Identification color: green-pink-silver.

T-1 TYPE B [ASTM A-514 GRADE H] -- Stocked 1 1/2" through 2" with an alloy content between Type A and the original T-1 while maintaining the same strength. Identification color: green-blue-orange.

T-1 STRUCTURAL QUALITY [ASTM A-514 GRADE F] -- Stocked 2 1/4" through 2 1/2". This is the orignal T-1 grade. Identification color: green-yellow.

T-1 TYPE C [ASTM A514 GRADE Q] -- Stocked in thicknesses over 2 1/2", Type C is richer in alloy content than the original T-1 with slightly lower strengthlevels. Identification color: green-brown.

[1] NOTE...Postweld heat treatment of T-1 steel isn't recommended because cracking may develop in the heat affected zone."

- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- This may be just an example of some of the wealth of info that may be found in the stock list books and filler metal guides, and most of the time there free for the asking.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

03-06-2001 15:51:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Trailer Metal in reply to Greg, 03-06-2001 11:22:55  
Hello Greg,
I wondered if you guys would let me tell you that whole thing was made of tool steel. the designations you found in reyersons are put forth by the American Society of testing and Materials. (Please forgive all my t's showing up in lower case. For some reason, when I try to type in a capitol "t" a shaded rectangle appears on the screen instead. Very strange.) When we refer to the structural grades you mention around here, we have to refer to them using UNS numbers to avoid confusion. Between the ASME, AStM, SAE, AISI, AWS, Military, Federal, AMS, CDA, and the AA numbers (not to mention some of the foreign ones.)we sometimes are not quite sure what someone is inquiring about. the bible for metals identification is the Unified Numbering System. the UNS number for AStM 514A is K11856. (the overall difference between that and the 514B (K11630)is the presence of Zirconium in the 514A and the presence of titanium in the 514B.) I couldn't resist the opportunity to be a wise a-- here because we just went through a rather lengthy discussion with a gentleman who tried to describe a base metal composition to us in very broken English. turned out he was referring to a tool steel. It was fresh on my mind. Probably have nightmares about it tonight.
Steve

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Greg

03-06-2001 08:35:44




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 Re: Trailer Metal in reply to Sam, 03-05-2001 21:46:38  
I believe the general rule is 3 to 1 [T-1 over mild or structual steel in strenght].

Been pricing T-1 plate for a rake on a crawler and price refects this also, .36 thru .59 lb.



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Nathan(GA)

03-06-2001 08:19:23




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 Re: Trailer Metal in reply to Sam, 03-05-2001 21:46:38  
Sam, we used T-1 for it's wear durabilty. It is very hard and stiff. We couldn't punch or shear it at all. Either drill or cut. Not sure about for a trailer, but I would think it would be fine, unless it's too stiff to give any, resulting in cracks. I wish I would have kept some of the drop pieces for ripper feet or bucket teeth. Good Luck



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Alvin

03-06-2001 18:55:50




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 Re: Re: Trailer Metal in reply to Nathan(GA), 03-06-2001 08:19:23  
From my experence, if you have to do any welding use nothing less than 110-18 when welding T-1.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

03-07-2001 04:50:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Trailer Metal in reply to Alvin, 03-06-2001 18:55:50  
Yes, I've seen people weld on the bucket arms of their end loader with 6011. Not good. Interpass temps should be kept under 1000°F also.



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