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Pooh Bear

05-10-2006 19:28:05




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I need some big drill bits.
3/4, 7/8, and 1 inch. All with 1/2 inch shanks.
I found a set on ebay and bid on it.
Still waiting to see how that turns out.
I"ll probably be outbid.

I got two of those catalog papers today in the mail.
One from Harbor Freight and one from Cummins Tools.
They both have an identical set of bits in them.
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RusselAZ

05-12-2006 22:38:23




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
I like the scraper frame style. As to drilling the holes, use water for cooling, it will keep the edge of the bit cooler and not smoke up the place. Please try to get the arbor speed down to 100 or 150. I put another belt sheave on my foreign drill press so it will step down slow enough to not burn bits. The rear set is easy as the 3rd step sheave ratios like the original. The front belt coming off the small sheave on the step has to mate with another large sheave on the front (arbor) shaft. I used a sheave from a imported ccar water pump. It is bolted to the top and the way it's made it drops down and lines up ok. When the chinese drill presses first came out you could buy a model with this 3rd step so it's not my idea. I also am still using the 1/2 hp original motor. I have not used a faster speed since I put it on. 400 to 500 rpm is to fast even for a 1/2 bit

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Dan in Ore

05-12-2006 05:19:49




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
Lately, I"ve been using a step drill. No pilot holes and it cuts like a dream. No need to stop and change bits. I just love the darn things. I got mine at Cosco for around $20 (set of 3). Next time I go over there (Cosco is 100 miles one way) I"m getting another set.

Dan



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msb

05-11-2006 20:28:46




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
I have a set of Silver & Deming bits from Harbor Freight.They work just fine if your press will turn slow enough.Just don't try to make only one pass.Don't jump over 2 sizes until you have the hole size you need.I bought my set about 15 or 20 years ago and all are still in fairy good shape.Some HF tools are junk,but these bits have held up well.



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Davis In SC

05-11-2006 20:15:37




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
Those bargain drill bits are a shot in the dark... Might be good, or might be junk. The importers buy from different sources, so there is no way of knowing what you will get. Of course, even premium tools can be bad also. I once paid several hundred dollars for a set of the stepped-down drills like you are looking at. One of them split all the way up the web, first time I used it. They replaced it, & said it was defective, a heat-treating problem. It still was a PITA to mail it off & wait for a replacement.

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oj

05-11-2006 19:35:48




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
I've had good luck using a 'Super Drill', it's a cobalt cutter that you set to the hole size required. You need to drill a 1/2 inch pilot hole first to guide the cutter. It works great on my 3/4hp press drill. But it is not easy to set the hole size acurately, that takes some trial and error, but it can drill a hole up to 2 inches.

www.supperdrill.com



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MikeCatthemuseum

05-11-2006 20:30:07




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to oj, 05-11-2006 19:35:48  
That would work better than a big drill bit. It's a boring head. Single point cutting will require far less power than a typical two flute drill bit. Downside is that t is very likely to chatter and speed wil stil be an issue. You can make these yourself pretty easily.



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MikeCatthemuseum

05-11-2006 19:11:59




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
You can try this, but you are going to run into two problems, and it is going to be no fun at all.

First off, as has been mentioned, you will have to run slow. Likely you will need to run slower than your drill press is capable of. If you have the $50 HF 1/2" benchtop drill press, lowest speed is nearly 600rpms. You need to be running about half that to get the peripheral speed of your drill low enough to keep from burning up the outside edges of the bit. If the edges burn, it'll get harder to drill, create more heat and burn worse unless you sharpen them immediately. If the edges look smeared, they are burnt up.

The second, and probably even more annoying problem is simply going to be lack of power. A 3/4" drill bit in steel at the proper speed will stall a 1hp motor very easily. 1 1/2 is really just barely enough. Likely your press will be running about 1/3-1/2hp. At a higher speed, you will have even less torque, so it is going to stall a LOT. It's gonna be a long, slow process and you may cook the motor in your drill press.

If you had more power, you could bury the bit by increasing the feed and maybe save the edges. If you had lower speeds, you could slow the spindle down and gain some torque. As it is you are going to have a tough time making these holes.

A particular size chuck is put on a particular drill press for a reason. If properly designed, the motor and speed range will work best with the range of drills that fit in the supplied chuck. 1/2" shank bits (Silver and Deming shank) are kind of a cruel joke played on the unknowing by bit makers. They work fine for installing door locks and such in wood using a hand drill, but they may not work so well in this situation.

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Pooh Bear

05-11-2006 20:40:29




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to MikeCatthemuseum, 05-11-2006 19:11:59  
My drill press is an Ohio Forge brand from Home Depot.
It is the same as a Sears-Craftsman drill press.
It is made by the same people. Some of the manuals
got mixed up and the Craftsman manuals went into
the Ohio Forge boxes. I have a lot of OF equipment.
I think it is a 1/2 HP motor. 16 speed.
Lowest speed is 450 rpm.
The belts will slip instead of stalling the motor.
Belt slippage has always been a problem for this machine.

If these bits will last me thru this project I will be happy.

I looked at the SuperDrill page.
Too expensive for me. Great idea tho.

Oh, I got outbid on that set on ebay.
So I will be picking these up tomorrow (Friday).

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

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wdtom

05-13-2006 09:01:10




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-11-2006 20:40:29  
450 rpm is not slow enough. You want half of that or less. Can you change pullys? On one such drill press I bored out a solid (not spokes) so the inside dia. would fit over the largest pully on the idler pully. Then I spliced them together wdith a couple of 1/8" plates and some small socket head screws. I took the easy way and used the idler for this, it would be better done the the large pully on the spindle, belt slipage will be less with the lagest pully on the spindle.

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Bret4207

05-11-2006 08:29:15




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
I have a set of chiwanese/indian Silver and Demming type bits up to 1 1/4". They,like most of the cheaper bits, tend to be a bit brittle and can stand a bit of sharpening. IOW- they're OK for what you pay.

A better solution for holes above 1/2" for me has been hole saws. The bi-metal Lennox, Starret and Milwaukee brand have worked fine for me. They are the only real answer for holes above 3/4" in the home/farm shop scenario IMO. They don't snap off and they aren't as sensitive to speed and heat. Plus they're available in most hardware stores.

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Don-Wi

05-11-2006 06:40:30




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
To prevent grabbing, only drill your pilot hole as big as the web (point) of the drill. If you go too big, the drill will grab and could snap, otherwise it"ll just be a major pain.
Donovan from Wisconsin



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Easy

05-11-2006 05:46:40




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
I think they are ok to use. Like the others said, use plenty of cutting oil, and step your drilling up - start with a small hole and get larger and larger till you get to the size you need. Be safe too - the larger drills have a tendency to grab a small vise and twist it around. Clamp the work or the vise down, and put a piece of stock clamped down or at least in the slot to keep the vise from turning on ya. Take care.

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Pooh Bear

05-10-2006 21:31:46




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
Thanks for all the advice.
Soon as my bid on ebay gets outbid I will go get a set.
If I don"t get outbid then I get a set even cheaper.
Gotta wait and see what happens.
But at least now I have a contingency plan.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear



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IBorange in TX

05-10-2006 21:23:53




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
Those bits will do fine. Just two things to remember, run the drill as slow as it will go and probably slower. Use pilot holes to keep the heat off of the point of the bits. Use plenty of cutting oil, Not WD40 or motor oil. Transmission oil will work, but not as good as Cutting oil. A good way to know if you have the right pressure, speed, and amount of oil is to watch the tailings that come off of the bit. If they are short, running too fast or too dry. If they are long and try to wrap around your arm, then you have everything running right. Just go slow..
Good Luck...

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old

05-10-2006 21:16:28




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
I've had a set from HF for more then 10 years, I have sharpened them a few times but they are still doing ok for me.



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TimV

05-10-2006 19:40:23




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
They'll do fine. I got the same set from Harbor Freight a few years ago for $14.99, and I have yet to need to sharpen one in spite of a lot of use. Drill as slow as your press will let you (if it's a typical 1/2" drill press, even that won't be slow enough, but you've got to do the best you can with what you've got to work with), use plenty of cutting fluid, steady pressure, and work up (1/2", 3/4", then 1" or something similar).

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Ryan - WI

05-10-2006 19:37:10




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 Re: Big Drill bits in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-10-2006 19:28:05  
I wouldn't be afraid to use them. With standard bits taking you up to 1/2" they should suffice the rest of the way. Just use plenty of cutting oil and go SLOW.



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