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Michigan interstates/deer

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Ohio Case

05-08-2006 17:38:56




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Something odd caught my attention today, I had the opportunity to drive up 127 from the Ohio/Michigan line to the Grayling area. What I noticed was the hundred or so deer carcases that were lying along the highway, This is no lie, in fact at one place I saw 4 dead deer within 100 feet. I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I am wondering what the deal is as the weather is getting warmer, the deer are just going to get nastier.....Does MDOT pick them up ??? Just my curiosity gettng the best of me.

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Hal/WA

05-10-2006 23:29:52




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
I have lived on the same property for nearly 50 years, and I would guess that there are 10 times as many white tail deer around here as there were when I was a kid. Why? Probably lots of reasons, like a number of easier winters and less die-off from weather. But the #1 reason I believe they are so thick is that the area has gone from a real rural area to almost suburbia. With so many houses and people around, it has become fairly dangerous to shoot. And since the "conservationists" have made it almost impossible to legally shoot does, the deer have lost their fear of being around people. I see does and fawns almost every day, and often see them dead along the roads I travel. My wife and 2 of my kids have hit deer with cars in the last 5 years and I have had several near misses--the only way to avoid hitting them is to go very slow at night and be ready to react if you see any movement. Deer whistles help.

When I was a kid, the area was populated with much poorer folks. I KNOW that lots of deer were poached to feed some of those families in those days. I ate fresh venison at friends houses in the summer. And you very seldom ever heard about someone hitting a deer with a car, except in rutting season, when the bucks acted a little crazy.

What should be done? I think that the only way things can get managable again is for it to become legal to shoot does around here. I have sure thought about giving them a dose of lead poisoning when I see them in my yard, in the daylight, eating whatever I have planted other than lawn grass, but so far I haven't done it. It would seem a terrible waste to shoot a deer and just let it run away and die somewhere, but if they catch you dressing out a wrong gender deer or out of season, the game people really come down on you.

The only way you can successfully garden around here is inside a good 10' tall deer fence. Oh, the progress we have made!!! One of my pet peeves.

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Matt from CT

05-09-2006 18:05:07




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
Had a road in one of the local state forests that got gated off, oh, about 10 years back.

Figured it was just another one of many cutbacks they have done for no good reason other than "show" how bad their hurting for money. One season in the park I worked at during college, they closed one of the two campgrounds so the public would see how the budget cuts where affecting us...of course, we had the same number of employees...I hate political / bureaucratic games like that.

Anyway, decided to take one of my dogs for a walk down to the old picnic area that used to be at the end of this closed road. Figured it would be a nice, isolated place for him to run off-leash.

At the end of the road, I found out where all the road kills in the area go. And they don't bury 'em.

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WV2cyl

05-11-2006 03:31:54




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Matt from CT, 05-09-2006 18:05:07  
Here in WV we have a problem with road kills as every state does. The DNR just mamages the deer herd for the license they sell. The herd is being thinned a lot, maybe too much which has helped a lot. The road kill deer here go into composting bins at the state road headquaters. They use a lot of chicken mature from the local poultry operations and find that horse manure from the racing stables works better.

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Red Dave

05-09-2006 09:41:24




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
Same thing here in PA. Interstate 81 has a lot of deer hit by trucks too. The deer come out onto the road and dart in front of the 18 wheelers. Nowhere for the truck to go, if they try to swerve it just causes a wreck, so it just mows them down.

Common to see a carcass, or what is left of it along the road. Sometimes a grease spot is all that's left.

I hit a deer a few years ago. It was on a back road and I wasn't going very fast, but the deer was running flat out. I just had the split-second image of the deer as it entered the headlight beam and before there was any time to react, it was hit and underneath. A spike buck, not too old. Did a lot of damage too.

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trw

05-09-2006 06:26:38




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
Believe it or not, when I was reading the newspaper last week, I came across a legal notice that was asking for people to bid on "road kill removal". And I thought my life sucked bad at times!!!! This was for about 100 miles of I-90 in South Dakota.



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Dwayne WPA

05-09-2006 04:03:28




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 just a thought...? in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
Michigan is a "big time" morel mushroom state.Lots of folks travel north to Michigan as their states.. Ohio,Illinois,Indiana...etc.stop producing morels.I"ve heard of some big hunts in the Grayling,Gaylord..Cadillac areas to name a few..perhaps the deer are being spooked out by the many,many shroom hunters.Right now is prime time for morels in Michigan.



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davpal

05-08-2006 21:56:35




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
About half way up 127 you crossed M-57 and that is the area that I live North of St.Johns and Lansing. Being on the highway I have to constantly remove the dead deer, coons, possums, turkeys, you name it, I have to scrape it off the highway about 30 times a year. It is hard to belive that our state has no so called money to do this job. They turn everything into an unmanagable cluster$#%%! I have had several get smucked right in my yard and the cops come and leave them right in my yard. I even called the sherriff department a few times and they told me it was "illegal" to move them and if I wanted to I needed a permit. I just had to scrape one down in the ditch and bury it the other day. It got hit by a semi right while I was reading this forum on the computer one night. I used to drag them to the woods all the time with a tractor but now their are new houses built by all the places I used to haul them. Now I either load them on the pickup and head for a woods or state land and off they go. Our state is truly pathetic in this regard and this should be forwarded to our govenor. I am sure if a deer was killed in Whitehills subdivision in East Lansing it would be picked up immediately by the county and disposed of. I honestly don't know why they are not recycled into fertilizer somehow. I just recycled one with a disk back in our field the other day! Coyotes had him just about gone though. I would agree, driving the 127 corridor or M-57 can be pretty gross for deer kills. I look at it every day on my way to work. I went down 57 one day with my tractor and counted 14 dead deer in a little over 1 mile of driving.

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Midwest redneck

05-09-2006 02:21:15




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to davpal, 05-08-2006 21:56:35  
Our Governer of Michigan is a useless dumb broad.



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hayray

05-09-2006 05:35:13




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Midwest redneck, 05-09-2006 02:21:15  
Remember she represents 3 words.

Canada, Berkley, Harvard, she is not even from Michigan and she is Canadian. She will come up with a new tax for deer removal.

Ray



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KCTractors

05-08-2006 20:25:15




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
In the next few weeks, you will see a lot of last years fawns killed on the roads because the doe chases them out of home so to speak. She will be getting ready to have this years fawns. The last years fawns are all confused now at this time.



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DHG

05-08-2006 18:50:16




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
you know, one would guess that there are just too many of them. It used to be more uncommon to see them, now there are herds of them



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Easy

05-08-2006 18:49:53




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
I think that the counties used to pick them up. But that was before the DNR got into enhancing the "deer crop". Now we have so many of the darn things that they sometimes starve in winter. Around here, it was very unusual to see a deer in the 40's til the 70's. As one farmer put it, "it would be talked about for a week at the elevator" if you saw a deer! Now we have a huge deer herd, more habitat in the form of suburban backyards, and fewer hunters. I don't think the DNR has a clue of what to do now.

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RayP(MI)

05-08-2006 18:44:52




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
County road commissions used to pick up deer carcasses - most don"t anymore, due to budget cuts, and lack of suitable burial space. Now they just leave "em be - after all they"re biodegradable!



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hayray

05-08-2006 18:24:14




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to Ohio Case, 05-08-2006 17:38:56  
I think they only move them if they are in the way. Besides, gives you people from Ohio something to talk about when ya get home.

Ray



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Leroy

05-08-2006 19:15:23




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to hayray, 05-08-2006 18:24:14  
Ohio leaves them lay, I drive a newspaper route and last winter one was laying on the road just hid by a hill and I hit the carcus for 3 days in a row before I went to the sherifs office to complain about it being a traffic hazard, they did not want to remove it but I pressed the isue and it was removed, when you hit that carcus it could not only cause you to lose control but also damage the auto and I never had a close call with live deere but other around have and also hit them.

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BigMarv1085

05-08-2006 18:35:01




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to hayray, 05-08-2006 18:24:14  
Here in the state of Georgia, the state highways are fertilized in the spring. The deer love eating fertilzed grass and thats one reason why we have more deer hit in the spring of the year. The highway department has crew in every county and they are in charge of desposing of the dead animal carcasses.



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davpal

05-08-2006 22:05:46




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to BigMarv1085, 05-08-2006 18:35:01  
If the state of Georgia is wasting money fertilizing highways somebody in your state capital needs to be kicked in the nuts. I just paid $300 dollars a ton for fertilizer and if they have that kind of money to throw around you guys are paying too high of taxes! About the time I see a fertilizer spreader going down the side of the road in Michigan I am going to organize 100,000 people to protest at the capital and it aint gonna happen no more!

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Broomstacker

05-08-2006 19:22:53




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 Re: Michigan interstates/deer in reply to BigMarv1085, 05-08-2006 18:35:01  
Down here in Florida, both the black vultures and the turkey vultures are pretty efficient at cleaning them up!



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