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Using a bernz-o-matic

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steve in in

05-08-2006 12:21:09




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I have a drag link on my old winnebago that will not come loose. I have tried supporting the steering gear arm and banging on the top of the drag link with the nut at the top of the threads. It won't budge.

So I bought a small propane torch. I want to heat the steering arm where it mounts on the shaft of the drag link right? That is, I want what surrounds the unthreaded portion of the end of the drag link heated, so that it expands and will allow the shaft to be driven out.

First time torch user here. Any advice is appreciated.

Steve

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MarkB_MI

05-08-2006 17:28:42




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
There is no way that a small propane torch will get it hot enough to make any difference. Oxy-acetylene will do it, though. You can get a nice setup for $500. Or you can take someplace that has the right equipment for a lot less.



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Dell (WA)

05-08-2006 17:07:03




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
Steve..... ...can you clap yer hands? Take 2-hammers and CLAP the stuck tapered draglink between the 2-hammmers. Beatin' on one side ain't gonnna do it. Poundin' on the top of the tapered pin ain't gonnna do it. SMACK the H3LL outta the sides of the round part of the draglink will POP the taper loose. No picklefork needed. Simple, eh?..... ....respectfully, Dell



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Charles (in GA)

05-08-2006 16:14:36




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
As has already been suggested, hit the side of the fitting with a large steel hammer, the shock will cause the taper of the rod end to loosen. Alternate hitting the side, then the threaded end.

Charles



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jones in texas

05-08-2006 15:23:17




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
try holding a heavy hammer or sledge hammer against the steering arm where the drag link pin goes through and hiting the opposite side with another heavy hammer .The vibration will usually cause it to fall out. Be careful with heat .It can cause it to chrylize and be ruined.



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RandyBee

05-08-2006 15:22:15




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
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You need a puller



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P.B. Blaster

05-08-2006 15:18:00




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
Spray me on it and let soak for a day or tow and it will come loose with vwey little effort.



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Earl Ohl

05-08-2006 14:50:26




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
I've already had to use two of those pickle forks, stacked one on top of the other. You may be able to substitute a chisel for the second pickle fork. You may not have room to do this. Other than that, hitting on the side of the part where the joint goes through or turning the nut back on and hitting on that is the only real alternative. Do NOT use heat on these parts!



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JMS/MN

05-08-2006 14:05:15




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
A propane torch will not put out enough heat to loosen tight steel. Need an oxy-acet setup. You mentioned supporting the arm and banging on the bolt. When I try that I use a hydraulic jack to support the arm, and remove the castellated nut, reinstall it almost flush to the bolt. I don't pound on the nut- I use a drift pin sized to fit inside the nut and use a BFH. Doesn't mess up threads of either part. If location limits your swing, heat is the only answer.

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MSM

05-08-2006 13:15:48




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
Hit the side of the steering arm where the draglink bolt goes through with a fairly heavy hammer.The bolt is machined on a taper and hitting the side of the steering arm will knock it loose.



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Steve in In

05-08-2006 13:35:14




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 Re: Using a bernz-o-matic in reply to MSM, 05-08-2006 13:15:48  
There is one I haven"t tried. It just sounds like what would be typical though. The most obvious and easiest to reach solution is the right answer.

If I get time to work on it tonight, I will let you know what happens.



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Steve from Mo - dangit!

05-08-2006 12:23:32




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 Pickle fork. in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 12:21:09  
You probably don"t want to heat that, but others may know more than me. There is a tool jokingly called a pickle fork that you use to take such things apart. Most auto parts stores have them.



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rustyj14

05-13-2006 07:39:33




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 Re: Pickle fork. in reply to Steve from Mo - dangit!, 05-08-2006 12:23:32  
Turn the offending joint back until it is against the stops, then, using a large hammer, give the part holding the tapered end of the tierod several sharp raps with your heavy hammer. I have removed many tie rod ends that way, after somebody "borrowed" my pickle (or salad) fork, and didn't return it!



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steve in in

05-08-2006 13:00:02




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 Re: Pickle fork. in reply to Steve from Mo - dangit!, 05-08-2006 12:23:32  
I have tried the pickle fork, twice. There is so much room between the steering arm and the drag link that the pickle fork is pretty useless. I"ve tried penetrating oils to no avail also.

I"m not too worried about the existing drag link, since I have the replacement, but I really don"t want to replace the steering arm too. short of taking it somewhere to have it heated and removed, I don"t know what to do to get it off.

The Lisle pickle fork set I have has both a handle for hammering and one for an air hammer. Neither one got me anywhere.

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RustyFarmall

05-08-2006 14:25:50




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 Re: Pickle fork. in reply to steve in in, 05-08-2006 13:00:02  
Pickle forks come in various sizes. You need a bigger one.



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