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tycteach

05-04-2006 08:56:19




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I sure hope I'm not reposting, but I can't find my original post and feel that there would have been some replies by now. I'm considering buying 2 grain bins for my farm. They have 11 foot sidewalls and are 15 feet in diameter. They have no floor and are bolted to a concrete foundation and they are in excellent condition. I've tried to find someone to move them but have only had one person quote a price and it was $400-$500 per bin. The move is about 4 miles on little-traveled dirt road except for about 1/4 mile on pavement. I feel that's a little steep so I'm going to keep looking or move them myself (with help of course) or forget the idea. I can not find anybody around here that know of any grain bin jacks but don't like the idea of tearing these things apart much less putting them back together anyway. I would prefer moving them in one piece. I have no high line wires that will come into play on this move. I'm considering the tire in the top method where a chain is placed through the top and is attached to a tire and the entire bin is either lifted and placed on a trailer or moved to it's destination in this fashion. I'm concerned about the top withstanding this much weight and also whether my tractor/front-end loader combination would be able to lift the bin. My tractor is an Allis Chalmers 8050 with a Koyker 565 front-end loader. I have a bucket for my loader and fork lift rack with forks about 4-5 feet long that can replace the bucket. I've also got extensions for the forks that are 9.5 feet long. I have a couple of different 3 point boom lifts that might be able to be adapted or could build something longer if extra length is needed for the lift. I could possibly come up with another tractor and front-end loader if that would be a better/safer way to move/lift these bins. I expect with something this size/weight, one will only get to make one miscue and he'll own a nice pile of twisted metal. Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated.

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RickL

05-05-2006 06:07:48




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to tycteach, 05-04-2006 08:56:19  
Are you sure you want to buy those,thatsize in my area has to be free or they don't move. Have moved lots of them and have alway raised them with jacks most of the time. took off what need for hieght and back trailers under. All the way up to 36ft units have moved. Do you have the cement ready for them to be reset on. For the price to move you were quoted that is cheap. You will find out it more to it then just finding some freinds to move it,especially someone gets hurt helping. MOST IMPORTANT IS WATCH THE ELECTRICAL WIRES,THEY CAN JUMP UP TO 3FT OR MORE AT TIMES SEEN IT HAPPEN KILLED THE FELLOW RIGHT THERE ON THE HIGHWAY,HE HAD CLEARENCE BUT IT ARCED(jumped). I always used jacks to do the most of my moves,or buddies large crane on a couple we lifted from the top with cables,have seen that (tire method go right thru the hole in top). Any way just be safe and that size better be cheap. The cemennt for you to reset them will cost yopu the most. I wouldn't move that size period they just not worth the cost of cement in my experience. Watch how you lift them regardless cause they will egg real easy and some of them they will pop loose from the bolts if not hung properly. Do you have anyone with a crane (on TRuck chassies type) you will find that they are not as expensive as you think if you have all the lifting connections in place on the bins ahead of time. He just lifts and sets on your trailer. Quick and simple that telescopeing boom is wonders in those situations.

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RickL

05-05-2006 18:55:35




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to RickL, 05-05-2006 06:07:48  
have the Rec out to lift and move wire really makes a used bin expensive then. iT is much cheaper to take it apart has been our experience.



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JMS/MN

05-06-2006 17:48:46




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to RickL, 05-05-2006 18:55:35  
Cost me about $70 for the truck and crew. Preplanning with the REA showed where I needed them and I told them when. Sure wouldn't dismantle a bin for that money.



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RickL

05-07-2006 06:48:30




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to JMS/MN, 05-06-2006 17:48:46  
No way would do it that way in my area $500.00 to just start.



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JMS/MN

05-05-2006 07:39:18




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to RickL, 05-05-2006 06:07:48  
Extremely important to scout the route. Our REA has maps showing road to wire clearance on all roads. Had them along to cut or raise wires on one move. Another time, moved a 21 foot wide on a wet morning- overhead service to a farmstead split by a road was at an angle- missed the 2x4 on the roof but sparked against the roof. Backed the bin 1/2 MILE to find an intersection where I could turn. Scouted the new route with the car before advancing. Quarter mile from home, 8 pm, find a stalled car in the road. Told tow operator I had a permit for moving, driver had no permit for a parking lot- he pays the tow.

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paul

05-04-2006 23:11:14




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to tycteach, 05-04-2006 08:56:19  
Don't know what it weighted, got one home on my hayrack about the same size. Fellow got a jack, lifted it up a couple inches, got a loader under one side, his bocat under the other, he & his son lifted, I backed the wagon under, rana chain from the wagon up to a 4x4 in the hole & chain clamped it down.

Drove the 10 miles home nice as could be.

Got it unloaded with 2 stumps of wood & my one loader, but that wasn't the best way to go. Worked.

Pick a low-wind day & have fun. I have a car trailer now, that worked even better for the 18x18 pair of bins I moved one mile home.

--->Paul

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mf294-4

05-04-2006 20:29:47




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to tycteach, 05-04-2006 08:56:19  
Nothing about your weight,but Dad moved a government bin 40 yrs ago. He put our 460 IH backhoe on our 2ton truck and made a frame on the bucket to lift it in the center. If I remember right, we ended up taking a ring or so off. Had to chain the front of the truck down going up the hills. I wouldn't think of doing it like that again. Traffic, wires, etc. The things we got away with.



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Dusty

05-04-2006 16:39:54




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to tycteach, 05-04-2006 08:56:19  
50 + years ago, my dad draged one home on a skid that he made with two small logs.

Dusty



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JMS/MN

05-04-2006 09:20:53




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to tycteach, 05-04-2006 08:56:19  
If there were wires in the way- run a 2x4 on edge up the roof, over the top, and down the backside. Smooth off the corners. Wires slide right along. Generally the bottom wire on a hi-line is a neutral.



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JMS/MN

05-04-2006 09:18:03




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 Re: Grain Bin Weight in reply to tycteach, 05-04-2006 08:56:19  
Bin weight will vary a bit by mfgr, due to gauge of steel used, but I have a chart from baughman company that shows a 15 foot dia, 11 foot sidewall, weighing 1632 pounds. Peak capacity is 1818 bushels. Another chart shows 141 bushels per foot of depth. Not much weight- I would get a 16 or longer trailer, lift the bin with the loader on each side and block it high enough to back the trailer under. Wouldn't hurt to have some long 2x8 planks to rest the bin on, picking up some of the overhang on the sides. Make a chain sling to connect to some side bolts on the bin, or hook to the anchor angle irons at the base, and lift with the loader. No need to mess with an overhead lift. I've moved maybe 8 bins from 1400-6000 bushels with various trailers- only split the larger ones (split halfway up, pull the rings inside, lower the top half, bolt both together and load on one trailer. Some lifted from the top, others jacked up. You could also use the forks if you can slide them under. Lifting under 1000 pounds per side. Never dropped a bin I was moving, but did drop one I was building on site- with 6 jacks. Post maul straightens them.

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