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Is The Unisaw Worth It?

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Scott

03-04-2001 19:43:06




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Gents-

I'm about ready to bite the bullit buy a good cabinet grade table saw. I have been looking at a Delta Unisaw, 5hp, 3phase with 60" Biesmeyer fence. Is the Delta any better than the Powermatic Mdl. 66? What about Jet? I realize that the Unisaw has the name recognition, but for 2 grand I want to get the best piece available.

Any cabinet makers out there?

Opinions?...Theories?...

Thanks All!

Scott

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Chris

03-08-2001 16:51:33




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 Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Scott, 03-04-2001 19:43:06  
I have a 8 yr old Unisaw and love it!..I have no experience with the Powermatic but when I bought my Unisaw I was told by many..including my local dealer that carries both, that it is a question whether you like grey or gold>



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Thanks!...Scott

03-05-2001 19:03:09




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 Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Scott, 03-04-2001 19:43:06  
Thanks for all the info, guys. I've gathered enough literature and ideas from postings to take the final step - go to the store and kick the tires.

Several of you have mentioned buying used, but up here in North Idaho they are VERY few and far between. My 42nd birthday was 2 weeks ago and my wife and kids are buying me the saw as a present. History (and common sense) tells me I better hurry before the offer expires!


Whichever way I go, I'll let you know!

Scott

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Bill

03-05-2001 15:59:24




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 Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Scott, 03-04-2001 19:43:06  
Scott,

If you can afford it definately go with the powermatic. Even get a 10"-12" if possible. I taught vocational education, and all my woodworking equipment was powermatic. It is like lincon, Kids can't tear them up. I had a bessimeyer fence on my shop powermatic and it was worth the money !!! Wish I could afford one at home but because of funds had to settle with a Jet, of which there is no comparison with the powermatic.

Good luck,

Bill

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Johnny

03-05-2001 14:51:52




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 Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Scott, 03-04-2001 19:43:06  
Scott, I believe that to be a pretty decent saw, I run a small custom cabinet shop and our 10" Rockwell has been going strong since 1971. Our Beisemeyer fence is rock solid also. Both the powermatic and Delta are of comparable quality. I don't have any experience with the Jet , but I'd go with the Powermatic, just personal preference. I don't know if either are made in U.S.A. though. As for blades I have never bought a new saw that came with a decent blade. I use the Everlast 60 tooth ATB, these are great blades and very reasonably priced. Make sure you have 3 phase power coming in your plant, I have a 3 hp 220 volt single phase and plenty of power with the right blade. Also with a guard, raise the blade at about 1 1/2 to 2 times the thickness of your wood and you will get a nicer cut with less kickback. Johnny

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besides...Tools

03-05-2001 09:01:49




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 Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Scott, 03-04-2001 19:43:06  
Oops! Did the same thing. However, here's a point not mentioned. ANY saw can make a "furniture quality" cut. The question is, are you willing spend the money and time getting the saw to do it? In my opinion, ALL stationary and hand (and some portable) tools are kits, in need of proper tuning and adjustment to make them work properly. I HATED my sears 10" saw till necessity forced my to buy a new arbor, mount balanced pullys, remanufacture the tilting mechanism and align the whole thing up with a dial indicator. And still I have to measure the distance from the blade to the fence (for ripping) at BOTH the front AND back edge of the blade (using the same tooth) EVERY time I move it. Personally, I think the best VALUE in table saws are the common Sears 10" saws available for from free (been given 3 of them over the years) to $100 (and never spend more than that) and then spend another $150 tuning it up. And that's what I'll use until I find the old Delta cabinet saws using one of those ancient old huge 1 1/2 HP induction repulsion motors. The Taunton press (who publishes Fine Woodworking) has some great books on tuning up woodworking machines, Mark Duginski authors some of these. I guess the major difference in these machines is whether or not you need to just adjust the machine (Delta, Powermatic, General), or have a machinist make some part flat, then adjust the machine (Sears, Jet, most eastern imports).

As for the benchtops, they usually still need adjusting too. A friend of mine bought one of the Ryobi's years ago. Worked like crap out of the box. We spent two days stuffing shims here, filing bosses there and finally got the thing to work really well. They simply aren't very heavy duty, so, use a REALLY sharp thin kerf blade and don't push too fast.

One last note. More teeth DOESN'T mean better cut. Dial the blade up to where about 3 to 4 teeth are in the wood during the cut. If you have to dial the blade up SO far it makes you uncomfortable, use one with less teeth. It all has to do with getting the sawdust out of the kerf before it heats up, burns, warps and draws the temper from your blade, then wobbles and dulls and EVERYTHING goes to crap, including safety, which is probably why the blade was JUST BARELY sticking up above the wood to begin with.

Hey Al, did I beat you with lenghty responses?!?

Tools

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VaTom

03-05-2001 13:51:16




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 Re: Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to besides...Tools, 03-05-2001 09:01:49  
Hey Tools, if you'd spring for a decent fence, you'd have a decent saw. The after-market fences fit Sears' too. If you're doing enough ripping to want a good fence, I'd guess your Sears saw is also a little underpowered. I've known guys who fixed both those Sears short-comings and were pretty happy. Then you can use the same great fence with a router table that's the wing extension. But you won't get me to trade down from my Unisaw. Worth every penny for a used one.

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Tools

03-06-2001 12:52:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to VaTom, 03-05-2001 13:51:16  
Hey VaTom,

You're right. What I need to check is whether an aftermarket fence could later be switched to the Unisaw. I imagine so, if not, I'll suffer till I get the unisaw I've been looking for some 10 years now! So, I was thinking about a Paralok fence, any experience with those?

Tools



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VaTom

03-07-2001 05:53:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Tools, 03-06-2001 12:52:29  
Hi Tools, I'm a little slow here. All I have is a REALLY old Biesemeyer. I'm pretty sure Fine Woodworking did a side-by-side comparison a few years ago. As I recall, they said all were good and Biesemeyer was in the middle. I was a Biesemeyer dealer for awhile and sold maybe 50 of them. One complaint and it turned out to be a very warped saw table.

All you need to do is look at the mounting and see if you can get it on your saw. Anybody's aftermarket will be Unisaw adaptable. I wouldn't consider a fence that needed a back locking arrangement which would be the only type you'd have trouble with due to different table depths. Then you'd have enjoyed the fence and maybe forgotten how expensive it was by the time you found your dream saw. Another option if you have more time than money is to build your own. Not much to a Biesemeyer. Back rail doesn't do anything but hold up the extension table. Lots of options. And they all make using the saw more attractive.

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Tools

03-08-2001 14:26:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to VaTom, 03-07-2001 05:53:23  
Thanks! The Paralok is a front and rear grabber, so I'll check CAREFULLY before even considering that. Fine woodworking did have an article on making one, so I might give that a try. It appears to be designed along the lines of a Bieselmeyer.

Thanks again for the reply,

Tools



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Al English

03-05-2001 10:31:59




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 Re: Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to besides...Tools, 03-05-2001 09:01:49  
Hi Scott, you may have beaten me, but I'm not defeated..... ..... until my next rambling seminar...Al English



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John in Abq

03-05-2001 08:59:43




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 Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Scott, 03-04-2001 19:43:06  
Both saws are pretty much equal, depending on which way you like your blade to tilt. I've used a Powermatic for many years in a custom cabinet shop with no problems. These are very solid machines. You should be able to find a used one with a Biesmier fence for about $1,000.

HTH John



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Tools

03-05-2001 08:03:40




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 Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Scott, 03-04-2001 19:43:06  
Hey Scott,

I'd consider the Delta and Powermatic the same in quality. One thing to consider, these things are quite available used for around $600. Anything other than SERIOUS abuse means it should be fine, they're VERY heavy duty. If you see one advertised much cheaper, odds are they're talking about a contractor model (regardless what they say, look before you buy).

Mike



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Darn It!...Scott

03-04-2001 19:50:18




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 Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Scott, 03-04-2001 19:43:06  
Got my post on the board then saw the posting below about woodweb.com. Sorry!

I really didn't mean to be redundant.

Scott



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Bus Driver

03-05-2001 18:08:46




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 Re: Re: Is The Unisaw Worth It? in reply to Darn It!...Scott, 03-04-2001 19:50:18  
35 years ago I was convinced that Powermatic was a bit better than Delta. Powermatic parts were hard and slow to get. Delta distributor 125 miles away would pull from his stock, put on Greyhound and we would have next AM (yes, life existed before FedEx). We bought Delta equipment for that reason. Don't know about present parts availability. Other things being equal, that would be the deciding factor for me.

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