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railhead

04-15-2006 06:38:37




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Wife's GrandDad gave us a old OLD (55 years)refrigerator that still works good. Problem is it is 300 miles from where we live. Would laying it on it's back or side to haul hurt it? I hate to pull a trailer that far and I don't see how we can get it loaded upright on a pickup bed. Lay it in the truck then stand back up? I need some ideas.




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2t2@IA

04-16-2006 20:38:02




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
Some refrigerators when shipped from the factory had several bolts holding the compressor solid during shipping. These were romoved when the fridge was put into service. It might be worthwhile to check, and if the IH had them, put some new bolts in place while hauling and protect the lines. Hope this helps



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mule

04-16-2006 17:16:13




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
I work in a warehouse for a major appliance company and we shipp thousands of them a week it will not hurt it to lay it on its back but like others have said stand it upright for 48 hours before plugging it in



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Mark - IN.

04-16-2006 03:44:28




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
If you do that, do NOT start that refridge for at least 24 hours after set it upright. And I'd talk to a refridge repairman first to verify that.

When you set them on their sides, the compressor oil or lubricant will apparently either leak or move out of its normal storage position. And if startup the compressor will end up with a very messy floor and stinky room. It happened to my brother some years ago. But apparently can upright them and let them set for like 24 hours and it will drain back to... and be ok. Check with your refridgerator guy. Its only a phone call.

Kind of like my '79 Harley. If sets too too long, the oil drains down from the oil tank into the crank case. First time go to kick it, pukes all over the floor as blows out the breather. Messy.

Mark

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T_Bone

04-16-2006 00:23:01




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
Hi Railhead,

The reason you want to haul the unit in the up right position is the system is under pressure even while not running and if you layed the unit on it's back (for example) the compressor is probably loose in it's rubber mounts and has enough room to move and will maybe break a refrigerant line thus it would need repaired. It's probably a 70% chance that you will cause a leak if hauled on it's back or side.

Hauling in the up right position there's less chance of causing a refrigerant leak.

You also need to be aware that older refer units don't fit the dollies very well (under the bottom) so take a look to be sure where you lifing from is safe.

As stated a 24hr rest period after moving will asure that all refrigerant has returned to it's correct location.

T_Bone

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Kelly Campbell

04-15-2006 20:22:55




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
How about a doll and a couple of good solid 2x6's and roll the thing up in the back of the truck...



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Bus Driver

04-15-2006 14:07:17




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
They are often laid on the side in mobile homes while transporting. Let it stand upright for 24 hours before plugging in.



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Stan in Oly, WA

04-15-2006 13:01:30




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
Hi Railhead,

This refrigerator doesn't sound like a bargain to me. If your pickup gets 25 mpg and gas is $2.50 per gal where you live, it's going to cost you $60 to get it. Where I live, you can always get a used fridge for about that, and not a 55 year old one either. As someone said earlier, those old ones cost a fortune to run, so the longer it lasts the more you lose. You're also going to be spending 8 to 10 hours on the road, and you've got to count your time and the wear on your vehicle as a cost too. Even I would give that freebie a pass, and that's saying a lot.

All the best, Stan

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railhead

04-15-2006 20:34:16




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 04-15-2006 13:01:30  
Stan,
I agree fully with your post EXCEPT....this is an IH refrigerator and I am a IH FANATIC. If it were any other make, I wouldn't even dream of it. but the diesel it is gonna cost, even if it is broke when I get it home, will be worth it to me.



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Stan in Oly, WA

04-15-2006 22:51:37




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 20:34:16  
Hi Railhead,

In that case, let me expand on what Kelly Campbell said about a ramp. I knocked together a ramp out of scrap lumber a few years ago, and I've been able to load and haul just about anything upright using it. Instead of an appliance dolly, I bought one of those Harbor Freight hand trucks that have 13" pneumatic tires, and some ratchet straps. I built the ramp so that the planks are centered on the hand truck tires, and held together from underneath with 1" lumber. On the outside edges of the planks I nailed 1X1 strips so that I will feel a tire going off course before it drops over the edge. The most important thing is to figure out a way to secure the ramp to the vehicle quickly but solidly. It's wonderfully reassuring to know that the ramp isn't going to fall out from under you. I drop a long bolt through the 1" lumber at the top of the ramp and it fastens through the hole in my bumper where a trailer hitch ball would go. Whatever works is good.

If you decide to go this route (sounds like tipping the refrigerator into the bed of the truck would be easier) be sure to take the time to think it through and do it right. Guys like us are injured every day doing things just like this. You have to do things by yourself that reasonably should be done by two or three people. Most of the time you get away with it, but not always. I've been to the emergency room a few times, and temporarily incapacitated a few other times because things went bad fast. And I'm a careful kind of guy.

All the best, Stan

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Coloken

04-15-2006 10:42:59




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
I go along with others. I hauled many when working rentals. Loaded them by myself by tiping them into pickup (or van would work) tip on side so door hangs down shut and not falling open all the time. Don't roll over and change sides. tip back up on feet and let stand like others say. Never hurt one yet. Any old machine that has stood for a while may freeze up on you though. Please shut end gate or tie in pickup...you will be suprised how fast one can scoot out the back when you gun away from a stop light.

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Mike M

04-15-2006 09:37:56




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
I haul them all the time upright in the back of a pick up. Strap the frige on the dolly load it up slide it up against the front of the bed then strap the dolly down to the truck. This will mininmize any of the risks of laying them down.



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Slowpoke

04-16-2006 02:16:16




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to Mike M, 04-15-2006 09:37:56  
Mike, how can you strap a dolly to the truck bed when it's only 4" high? I would use a standard refer hand truck with straps, put a sheet of cardboard between the refer and the truck cab and leave the hand truck attached. I'd use two heavy tiedown straps over the top of the refer down to the truck sides. Another strap around the box to the front of the bed at the highest point and it won't move. It's the downward force that keeps a load from bouncing around and falling over.

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Mike M

04-16-2006 03:34:13




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to Slowpoke, 04-16-2006 02:16:16  
We are talking about the same thing. I may of not called it by the common name. We just always called it a moving dolly ? These newer style pick up trucks sure are nice with the tie down spots low in the front and rear of the beds. A couple of motorcycle tie downs and a ratchet strap and they are held in solid.



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Slowpoke

04-16-2006 12:03:40




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to Mike M, 04-16-2006 03:34:13  
I thought you were talking about a "4 way" furniture dolly. It has 4 swivel wheels and is about 18" x 24" x 4" high. Usually covered with carpet. Unless the floor/sidewalk surface is very level, it's the worst thing to use because it will always try to roll to the lowest point. It takes two people to control the load. I would not try to use one on ramps to a pickup bed. On the other hand an appliance hand truck gives great leverage and good control whether one transports the box standing up or laying flat.

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Bob

04-15-2006 09:25:04




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
The reason a 'fridge can be damaged after hauling on it's side is that liquid Freon, and possibly compressor oil can migrate to the suction side of the compressor during this time.

When it is plugged in, the compressor piston bangs the non-compressible liquid into the cylinder head and reed valves, possibly breaking a reed valve, bending a connecting rod, damaging the piston, or sticking the compressor.

Allowing the 'fridge to stand upright for 24 hours or more allows the fluids to migrate back to where they're supposed to be, preventing compressor damage.

Sometimes, when an old 'fridge or freezer that has been running "forever" is shut down for a while, or moved it doesn't function upon re-start because the "capillary tube" has corroded shut, or been clogged by sludge or debris because the filter-dryer in the system is old, and may not be doing it's job. The Freon has to flow from the condensor outlet, through the filter-dryer, and then through the capillary tube, to the evaporator, where it expands to "make cold".

The capillary tube can have an ID as small as .021", and it doesn't take much to clog it!

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satsop

04-15-2006 09:02:53




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
The fatherinlaw had an auction barn in the 60's & 70's. When he would get one thatran but didn't cool he would stand them upside down for a day then right side up for a day and pluged them in it didn't work every time but he saved many this way.



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Bob

04-15-2006 09:06:51




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to satsop, 04-15-2006 09:02:53  
That's an old "trick" with ammonia absorption 'fridges run by gas, for remote areas or campers. Probably NOT the best idea with a Freon unit with a hermetic compressor.



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Stickler

04-15-2006 20:05:51




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to Bob, 04-15-2006 09:06:51  
What's the chances of a 55 year old fridge being freon and not ammonia?



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Bob

04-15-2006 20:30:34




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to Stickler, 04-15-2006 20:05:51  
"What's the chances of a 55 year old fridge being freon and not ammonia?"

55 years old would make it 1951.

What's your point?

Absorption refrigerators using ammonia have been made since the 1800's, and are still being made.

Sulfur dioxide (NASTY stuff) was used in household refrigerators until replaced by Freon in the 30's.

So, ammonia and Freon refrigerators CERTAINLY co-existed in the 1950's, and the are surviving sulfur dioxide machines, even today.

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T_Bone

04-16-2006 01:02:36




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to Bob, 04-15-2006 20:30:34  
Hi Guys,

Freon is a Dupont trade name. Refrigerant is the correct name. Refrigerant R717 is Ammonia, and refrigerant R764 is sulphur dixoide. All major refrigerants have a number issued by ASHRAE (American Society of Heating, Refrigerating, and Air Conditioning Engineers) for indicating the refrigerant type.

Back when Dupont developed newer chemical refrigerants, implementing the new refrigerants into the maufacturing process was too expensive so Dupont built mfg plants to produce the new refrigerants under the Freon trade name.

Since Dupont is a enity set-up to derive income from development and design of new products and patents, not manufaturing, they sold the refrigerant manufacturing facility as soon as it was profitable to United Technologies??? that produced many refrigerants under the Dupont brand name "Freon" for awhile.

In the early 1990's they were still producing some refrigerants under the Dupont Freon name, then Dupont, then several hundered different brand names. I have no idea if UT's owned all the mfg facility's and brand names or just sub-leased the refrigerant process.

Bob, Good to see another referman aboard :) You do need to remember without body language alot that is typed doesn't always mean exactly what is stated in type.

T_Bone

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old

04-15-2006 07:39:48




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
It ok to lay it on its side but don't turn it back on for at least 24 hours once you have it back upright. The reason is that when its on its side the oil drain out of the compresor and if you turn it on right away the compressor is running with out oil and you know what happens to things being run with out oil.

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dbwillia

04-15-2006 07:32:27




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
We bought a new refrigerator, a few years ago and we were told we could lay it on it's side. As I remember it made a difference which side it was laid on and then it was to left standing for a time after hauling before turning it on. I can't remember which side or how long it was to be left standing. I would ask an appliance salesman or repair man.



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Russ from MN

04-15-2006 07:17:40




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
I have heard of them being ruined by laying the down for transportation, maybe because they were plugged in to quickly. Also many old fridges that ran fine when they were taken out of service and left sit awhile, will not run again, have Grandpa plug it in for a day or two! Another thing, when we took our old one out of service, I figured out it was costing us $300 a year to run it!


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Bilko

04-15-2006 06:44:51




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 Re: hauling a refrigerator in reply to railhead, 04-15-2006 06:38:37  
Railhead,
From what I have always been told. Yes you can lay it down. But don"t plug it in for a day or two after you stand it back up. Has something to do with the freon. Hope this helps you. Mike from MI



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