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Andreas Mell

03-03-2001 18:20:51




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I'm building an all aluminum flatbed trailer for my compact backhoe. It will be a 16'long x 63" wide cargo deck continuing into a 40" long A-frame. All continuosly covered with aluminum checkerplate decking, as to fully utilize the entire area to carry the equipment and parts. The front 21" area of the A-frame will be occupied by a toolbox (matched to the triangled shape) for straps etc. I'm using two rubber torflex type axles (both with electric brakes) in a tandem arrangement, with a 10000 lbs combined capacity. This trailer will be towed using a pintle-hook set up. Based on all these specs could somebody tell me the formula to calculate the tandem-axle placement.

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dross

03-04-2001 21:18:46




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 Re: tandem axle placement in reply to Andreas Mell, 03-03-2001 18:20:51  
Hi! I went out today and measured my car trailer
at 273" with the tandems being centered 185" back.
That would mean I put them 3 inches to far back.
Is there a good reason I don't know about yet to move them? I have had full size trucks on it, as long as I don't get the load to far forward it's okay. It follows down the road really good. I don't have a problem with it (3 inches), should I?

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T_Bone

03-05-2001 12:42:43




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 Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to dross, 03-04-2001 21:18:46  
Hi dross, If it was my trailer I would leave them alone. You answered your own question. It pulls great and you load it correct. What else could a person want as long as it stops.

T_Bone



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Tom

03-05-2001 14:10:49




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 Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 03-05-2001 12:42:43  
The farther back the axles are the less likely the trailer is to fishtail and the easier it will be to backup. It will take more room to turn though, the trailer will cut corners more than a shorter one. I say the further back the better as long as you have good weight distribution.



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dross

03-05-2001 16:08:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to Tom, 03-05-2001 14:10:49  
my question was posted more for my own piece of mind than any real world problems I've had.



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dross

03-05-2001 16:10:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to dross, 03-05-2001 16:08:39  
forgot to say thanks. Thanks. dave.



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BFO

03-05-2001 20:34:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to dross, 03-05-2001 16:10:30  
3" too far back is better than 3" to far forward. The others are right, I would leave it be.



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ltf in nc

03-04-2001 11:46:20




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 Re: tandem axle placement in reply to Andreas Mell, 03-03-2001 18:20:51  
Since you are designing and building a dedicated trailer I suggest the following. As you are aware the axles you have chosen should be mounted to where the trailer will run level. You need to determine the center of gravity on your backhoe. Once you do that and review how the hoe is going to fit the trailer length you will be able to determine the axle location to place the load center of the two axles and predetermine the tongue weight that you want based on what type vehicle you will be using to tow.

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VaTom

03-04-2001 11:56:56




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 Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to ltf in nc, 03-04-2001 11:46:20  
Hi, ltf, great minds work alike, don't they? You just say it better. But I sure hope somebody can enlighten me how non-floating axles can work.



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ltf in nc

03-04-2001 19:16:56




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 Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to VaTom, 03-04-2001 11:56:56  
VaTom, I never stated that I recommended this axle and apparently the decision has been made. This axle will be better than a single axle for several reasons. The trailer will track better because it will have to scrub the tires in order to fish tail. It will also be more stable as it will not rock the towing vehicle front to back as badly as a single axle. If one tire goes flat the trailer will be more manageable and you can pull the trailer up on a makeshift ramp on the good tired axle and use that as a jack. If a person really wants to see how to carry a load look at the axle setup under a train. Personally, I like a walking beam design.

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BFO

03-04-2001 12:30:22




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 Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to VaTom, 03-04-2001 11:56:56  
Isn't this what I've been trying to get across?!?!? Tom, search the dexter sight and they'll have a rundown on the rubber ride axles. Notice that they put a 5 year warranty on them, that started about 6-7 years ago. Early rubber ride axles were known to come apart after so many years.



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VaTom

03-04-2001 13:27:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-04-2001 12:30:22  
Thanks. BFO. I could have spent more time at the site. When half the axles have the whole load, half the tires also have the whole load. Doesn't sound too good. I'm only a user but I know what a pain it is to lose a tire with a loaded trailer. Just bought a 25 year old trailer that doesn't need new axles, only rubber tires. Still Greek to me. Wow, and I just found out you can't use an alternative word for posterior here. Got censored. But that's where the pain was.

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BFO

03-04-2001 13:40:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to VaTom, 03-04-2001 13:27:33  
You got it! I offered them as an option on single axle trailers up to 7000lb gvw, because they do run smoother, but only built a few light duty tandems using them. I prefer slipper springs with rubber bushings (throw away the cheap nylon bushing right off the bat).



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Chances R

03-04-2001 07:09:45




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 Re: tandem axle placement in reply to Andreas Mell, 03-03-2001 18:20:51  

This might not be right for you. We placed the front axle in the middle of the floor or bed of the trailer. Since you have a better idea than me on how much room you have etc, the diccision is probbaly best left to you to decide.



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T_Bone

03-03-2001 20:02:56




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 Re: tandem axle placement in reply to Andreas Mell, 03-03-2001 18:20:51  
Hi Andreas, That Dexter website was very informative. I've always been taught to use the 2/3 balance distance which works out very close to what Dexter recomends. The 2/3 rule applys to boats, trailers, cross, buildings, tanks etc: that came from the Bible. Another factor to consider is aluminum expands at twice the rate of steel.

As BFO pointed out Aluminum and galvanized is only two away in the table and should not be used together, where aluminum and stainless steel are 5 away from one another and would be a better choice. Use never-seeze or anti-seeze on SS bolt threads to keep them from gaulling.

T_Bone

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BFO

03-03-2001 20:49:49




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 Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 03-03-2001 20:02:56  
I think you have things turned around, the closer two metals are in the galvanic series, the less reactive they are, and the farther apart they are, the potential for corrosion is greater, in the presence of an electrolyte. Although mild steel and aluminum are fairly close in the galvanic series, over time, the aluminum will corrode and crack. I would suggest using plated grade 8 bolts and a barrier between the two metals, and yes, never sieze wouldn't hurt, but the increase in torgue values for lubricated thread might pull through the aluminum.
I recommended the Dexter site for axle placement because there was no way to determine the centre of mass without knowing his equipment. In general 10% - 15% of the gross trailer weight should be on the tongue.

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T_Bone

03-03-2001 22:19:30




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 Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-03-2001 20:49:49  
Hi BFO, yep your right, Thanks for the correction!
I thought it sounded funny when I typed it. Must be CRS again. Aluminum has always been a difficult metal to work with compared to other metals. I would use lock nuts with bolt shoulders of the correct length. I can see where aluminum pays for commerical haulers but to me is a bad and expensive choice for non-commerical trailer use.

That was a rule of thumb for general engineering practice that works well when no other info is available. Try it on a trailer you have and see just how close it is to the Dexter number. 2/3 would be from the tongue to the center line of axle.

As I stated the Dexter website is very informitive and that info should be used.

T_Bone

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BFO

03-04-2001 05:35:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 03-03-2001 22:19:30  
The 2/3 rule works if the trailer is a straight deck, but kinda gets thrown out the window when you've got a beavertail.
Case in hand, 16' trailer, with 4' of that beavertail, puts the center of the suspension at about 9'. This makes for a light tongue weight if we can assume an equally distributed load over the entire 16ft. deck. The solution is to make the trailer deck longer, lengthen the tongue and/or drive the loader further on the trailer and rest the bucket on the tongue ( in which case a 5 1/2ft tongue would be handy).
While aluminum would not be my first choice, in the trucking industry, it's what's keeping the economy going. Three R's, Reuse, Recycle, Refinance. The leasing companies are making a bundle because no one can afford to buy outright ($50K Cnd, for a 48' w/ 10'1" on air), after a few years they're scrap (fatigue cracks from cyclic loading, a good trailer is a good bridge, and you don't see many bridges made from aluminum), and the foundries get to melt them down again and again.

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T_Bone

03-04-2001 10:29:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-04-2001 05:35:24  
Hi BFO, Working with the 2/3 rule, axles would be 10.67ft center line and not light in the tongue, 16ft X .66666 = 10.67ft or 10'-8" for a 16ft beaver tail.

T_Bone



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BFO...whoa!

03-04-2001 12:23:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 03-04-2001 10:29:36  
Read my post again. I said IF there's a beavertail, which we don't know, then the axle center changes. Yes you've applied the 2/3 rule correctly, I got the same answer.



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and..

03-04-2001 12:54:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO...whoa!, 03-04-2001 12:23:53  
16ft trailer deck minus 4ft for a beavertail leaves 12ft of deck. 2/3 of 12ft is 9ft.



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whoops

03-04-2001 12:59:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to and.., 03-04-2001 12:54:38  
Stupid!! I mean with 12ft of usable deck, the farthest you can get the center of the tandem, assumiming a 33" spread is right around 9FT. Been working too late SORRY.



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T_Bone

03-04-2001 13:55:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to whoops, 03-04-2001 12:59:41  
Hi BFO, Reread my original post of the 2/3 rule. The measurement goes from the center of tongue to center line of axle(s) reguardless of how many axles are used, not the center of deck.

When someone says they have a 16ft trailer, that is a measurement from the tongue to the end of trailer as figured by the DOT and is not the deck length.

I've checked the 2/3 rule against many a commerical beavertail for backhoe use and there all within a few inches of the 2/3 rule.

T_Bone

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BFO

03-04-2001 15:27:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 03-04-2001 13:55:58  
I'm sorry, I just don't understand what you're saying. example: triaxle equipment float 29.5' overall, with 20' main deck, 4' beavertail
using your calculations 2/3 of 29.5 is 19.47' is where the centre axle should go. But the triaxles take up about 9', meaning the rear axle would have to get mounted on the beavertail. A tandem wouldn't fit either.
Using my calculations 2/3 of 24' is 15.84' and fits the frame.
Which is by the way why I never use the 2/3 rule, I calculate the actual distance with respect to load, tow vehicle etc.
Andreas says his deck is 16'long. Now if he has a beavertail, he won't be able to follow the 2/3 rule either. The furthest back on the deck that he can put the axle center is approx 9ft due to the tire size and distance between axles, and by your calculations is around 10' which is physically impossible without mounting an axle on the tail.

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randy

03-08-2001 17:10:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-04-2001 15:27:15  
i build a good many trailers 5x10 7x16 7x20
and on a 16 foot trailer whith a 24 inch dove tail
i put the rear spring hanger 24 inches from rear
of trailer so forget 2/3 rule this is the only way to go so end the subject here



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T_Bone

03-04-2001 20:34:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-04-2001 15:27:15  
Hi BFO, You know if we were talking in person, I can see where we would be talking close to the same idea. Who said that typing was a way to converse. hehehe

If your trailer was 29.5ft overall with a 20ft flat deck and a 4ft beaver tail then:
Your tongue would be 5ft-6" from the front of the flat deck to center of hitch,
Using the 2/3 rule, center line of a tandum axle would be 19ft-8" from center of hitch to center tandum axles, not a center line of a single axle but the center line between tandum axles
or 14ft-2" from the front of flat deck to the center of tandum axles with center equalizer pivot,
assuming a hung spring length of 30" plus 3" for equlizer pivot for a total of 33"
OR 15ft-6.5" from the front of flat deck to the center line of rear axle or
20ft-0.5" from the center of tongue hitch to the center of rear axle leaving more than enough room for tandum axles from beavertail. OR
18ft-3.5" from the front of flat deck to the center line of rear triple alxes and leaves room enough for clearance of beavertail for a 18.5" "radius" tire.

This 2/3 rule would then center the load over the trailer axles reguardless of the number of axles upto triple axles on a beaver tail trailer and infinate number of axles on a flatbed trailer.

Something we have not covered is the prestress "arch" that a aluminum trailer has to have to carry maxmium weight.

Before you respond draw this out on paper and put in the numbers I gave as thats the way I had to lay it out to type it in. Too hard to understand any other way. I did the same for your numbers.

Interesting conversastion on a Sunday!

T_Bone

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BFO

03-05-2001 06:19:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 03-04-2001 20:34:37  
Okay, I see where I was confused with your way of thinking. And I was also wrong concerning Andrea's trailer with my last statement. I forgot it was rubber ride axles, and the mounting bracket is only 12 inches long, 99% of what I do is with slipper springs, and I automatically think in those terms.
Now, my market nich was custom trailers, and I've never used the 2/3 rule. Just so we're on the same wavelength, let's stick with the 21000 lb gvw triaxle, 29 ft 6 inch overall length. Tires are 235/85R 16 with a radius of approx. 15 inches. Using the AP 302 tripple slipper spring suspension, where the overall length of suspension including tires is 96.5 inches.
Now, using your numbers the center of the suspension should be mounted 14 ft 2 inches from the front of the deck. If you assume the center of mass at 12 ft from the front of the deck, and you take the summation of moments about the hitch ring, you get a tongue weight of 2314 lbs. or 11%. While this value is acceptable, it doesn't leave much room if the load center moves back any amount (ie different equipment).
I work at a 15% figure and that places the axles at 15 ft. 1 inch, or 11 inches back from your centre, which gives me a tongue weight of 3146 lbs. Makes for more versatile trailer.
You just can't apply a 2/3 rule and leave it at that. You have to find the center of mass of the load, center of mass of the trailer, select appropriate beams and do deflection calculations. You have to design for multiple equipment usage. The reason why I declined to give anyone a formula, is simply because we don't know, center of mass of backhoe, center of mass of trailer, what tongue weight he wants, what he's towing it with, what his beam selection is and what it can handle as far as axle spread, load etc. I simply do not want the liability. All I care about is that he puts brakes on both axles so he doesn't kill himself or anyone else.

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T_Bone

03-05-2001 09:03:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-05-2001 06:19:55  
Hi BFO, I do agree that nothing beats good design engineering methods. A rule of thumb is just that.
It sure doesn't work on simi-trailers. But it is useful to non-engineers.

T_Bone



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BFO

03-05-2001 09:38:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 03-05-2001 09:03:02  
Ya, and if I had clued in to what you were trying to get across to begin with (CRS X 4), we probably could have done this in 1/2 the posts. Sometimes the problem lies between the keyboard and the back of may chair. Thanks.



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T_Bone

03-05-2001 10:48:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-05-2001 09:38:07  
Hi BFO, Yep but it sure was interesting while it lasted. It takes all points of views to understand a problem and your views are well worth reading and noting.

Had we been sitting at the table looking eye to eye, I think this would have been a 10 minute conversastion at the most! But on the other hand had we not had our keyboards, we would have never got to exchange views and that would have been sad. So no, Thank You Sir!

T_Bone

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VaTom

03-05-2001 07:06:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-05-2001 06:19:55  
I think we have a summation! And a record for most "re"s. :^)



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VaTom

03-04-2001 11:51:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 03-04-2001 10:29:36  
Hi guys. Really interesting. I'm a little confused, though. When you are setting up a trailer for a specific tractor, don't you need to consider what's hanging off the ends of the tractor to see where the weight actually sits on a trailer? I'm in the process of going from an 8ton rated one clearly designed for dozer pulling (looong tongue) to a 20ton that I got cheap at auction because the backhoe guys said the axles were in the wrong place. I'm just excited to go from 3 to 2 axles and can now consider a bigger crawler. My hoe is on a compact tractor so weight distribution isn't a problem on a heavy trailer. Another question, how does a non-floating axle system work? You always on flat ground? I never am and would frequently end up overloading the axle on the ground. Tried that once and it made me really nervous.

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BFO

03-04-2001 12:39:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to VaTom, 03-04-2001 11:51:30  
Yes, you have to take into account the whole tractor, and the hoe is a big part. I usually build the trailer to suit the tractor/loader /backhoe, since a crawler can be positioned on the trailer to suit. The rubber ride or torsion axles get stiffer as the travel increases, so in uneven ground you could have 2 of the 4 axles doing all the work. Picture a square tube outer axle, with a solid square @45 degrees stuffed inside, with the remaining space taken up by rubber, and the whole thing bonded together.

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bill hillbrant

03-04-2001 06:31:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-04-2001 05:35:24  
remember there will be no equalizing between the to axles with the dexter setup-alxes seem to last good but i don't like like them because of the lack of movement-bill



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Andreas

03-04-2001 08:25:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to bill hillbrant, 03-04-2001 06:31:10  
Thanks for all the info. I stumbled onto this great site, doing a general search on axle placements (I'm not yet that computer literate). I appreciate all your advise. Flatbeds are new to me, but I've built a couple of all aluminum single axle utility trailers, I use for work (sort of like a pick up truck box with a lift up lit and folddown tailgate) . Both have the Dexter Torflex axles, with electric brakes. The one I've had for eight years, the other now for two. I use one of the trailers daily, as a contractor to haul my tools, supplies as well as debry to the dump. I've never had any trouble with either trailer. I like the torflex axles, I find them smoother, less bouncy then leave springs. I chose all aluminum because it weights less then half of the same steel trailer (less for the vehicle to tow)and you don't have to paint it. Unless you want it to look pretty, aluminum does get dull and blah looking especially from winter salt conditions. I used only stainless steel hardware and fasteners, and your right, you have to use a special paste, plastic or rubber between the stainless and aluminum. It prevents the electrolytic reaction, that rotts out the aluminum. Since stainless steel still has a steel component, it will have a reaction with the aluminum (further promoted by salt and water) but not as bad as regular steel. This at least as per my friend Dieter, who is an expert custom stainless steel and aluminum fabricator. As I said flatbeds are new to me, but a John Deere dealer close by me uses a custom build all aluminum 16' flatbed to haul their equipment around. It has two 5000 lbs capacity axles and they've been using it for over six years, with out any structural problem. Except they've had problems breaking of the welded on shackle mounts for the leave springs, when ever they carry the max. capacity. Now they limit the load to 7000 lbs, which seems to have solved the problem. I figured using the Torflex axle, which bolt on, I shouldn't have a problem.

To build with aluminum is definately more expensive, but I think it's worth it over a long life use of the equipment. The weight savings are substancial that relates into better fuel milage, and in my case being able to use a ligther duty vehicle (which is also less to purchase). As well there is less maintenance since you don't have to worry about rust and with it painting and repainting etc.

Any further advise or experiences???

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T_Bone

03-04-2001 12:05:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to Andreas, 03-04-2001 08:25:09  
Hi Andreas, If they went to a boxed frame at the shackle mount then using a 1/2" doubled aluminum mounting plate, then used a 3/8" mild steel mounting plate bolted to the aluminum mounting plate with the shackle mount welded to the steel mounting plate would have also solved there problem.

Hauling a small backhoe will the cost savings justify aluminum at say 1500lbs vs 3000lbs for a steel trailer? The reason I'm asking is my medium size backhoe weighs 8000lbs at 36hp so a small backhoe is going to weigh about 5000lbs with a steel trailer of 3000lbs for a total of 8000lbs well within a F150 tow capacity 10000lbs at 20/15mpg empty and a Ranger is rated for towing upto 4000lbs at 22/17mpg empty so it's not considered for towing your load. The reason for the Ranger comparrision is showing although it has less than half the towing capibility of a F-150, it's empty mpg is only 9% better.

Another consideration. I have two friends, one bought a 4yr old 33ft motorhome steel and fiberglass with a 440ci AT that averaged 6mpg, the other bought a new 28ft motorhome all upper aluminum frame and skin with a 454ci AT and limited his wife to just 1000lbs of cargo (yep they argued about this one alot :)) and averaged 6.75mpg. Me I have a 26ft travel trailer with a 3/4 pick-up with auto load 12ft boat, full time 4wd, 400ci 4sp, gross weight of 17000lbs (tools when I was working) and averaged 8.5mpg. To me the aluminum motorhome should have smoked us on mpg and speed but didn't although his mountain pulling mpg was higher than ours as well as his speed 35mph/25mph.

T_Bone

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BFO

03-04-2001 09:32:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to Andreas, 03-04-2001 08:25:09  
Well I think it's great that you're getting such good service from your aluminum trailers, but, if you have to lower your capacity, I feel that it's false economy. You can probably guess that I'm not a fan of aluminum trailers. If your worried about rust, sandblast the trailer and use an epoxy paint. As the the other Bill mentioned, rubber ride axles don't equalize the same as slipper springs/w/walking beams, which puts a lot of torsional stress on the frame. I've used rubber ride, only on light duty units though. I would have to disagree with the stainless hardware. Aluminum and stainless are farther apart on the galvanic series table, mild steel is in the middle of the two. Also, what grade are your bolts? Compare with Grades 2,5, and 8 as far as tensile strength. Most importantly you want something that is safe.

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BFO...again

03-04-2001 09:41:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tandem axle placement in reply to BFO, 03-04-2001 09:32:51  
"If your worried about rust, sandblast the trailer and use an epoxy paint."


I meant to say build the trailer from steel and sandbalst/epoxy. Would still be less expensive than aluminum...sorry for the confusion.



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BFO

03-03-2001 18:48:13




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 Re: tandem axle placement in reply to Andreas Mell, 03-03-2001 18:20:51  
Here's the link to the Dexter axle site, download the Application Guide, It'll tell you everything you want to know. Please pay particular attention to the paragragh on attatching Tor-flex axles to an aluminum frame. Due to galvanic corrosion it would be beneficial to put a thin layer of high molecular plastic ( or any material not prone to compressing and keeping the dissimilar metals from contact) between the mounting brackets and frame. Go to a tractor trailer repair shop and ask what they use to repair/maintain aluminum trailers, they'll probably have a sheet of material, and sell you a piece. One other point, and this is my personal preference so take it for what it's worth, make your tongue at least 5' long. If I'm reading your post correctly, you have a 40" tongue, and add another 6" say for the ring, makes for a pretty short tongue. Stretch it out a bit, you'll get better handling characteristics with a longer tongue. Good luck, and post a picture when you're done. Bill

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