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Possessed Victor style cutting head..

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Truck

04-06-2006 18:17:52




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Anyone familiar with rebuilding the victor style cutting head? I have two victor cutting torches or cheap copies, I can't tell anymore as they are pretty old. Anyhow, one works fine, I cut up several tons of steel last week with it. Th eother one seems to backfire and clog the tip almost every time I use it. I finally took th eupper part off the head and found a mixing tube inside was loose, and the o-ring(s) that sealed the bottom of it to the handle(the part with the oxygen knob)were shredded and melted.

I cleaned everything as good as I could, and replaced the O rings from my stock,recleaned the tip for the sixth time in an hour, and it worked well for one cut. I was almost done with the cutting on the used steel, and it backfired and started to burn inside the tube which had the mixing tube in it. I shut it off again and quit in disgust.

My other Victor works great and takes abuse like nobodies business, what am I missing???

BTW I have tried this head on the other set of gages and the other handle, and it still stinks.

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T_Bone

04-08-2006 08:29:25




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 Re: Possessed Victor style cutting head.. in reply to Truck, 04-06-2006 18:17:52  
Hi Truck,

Yes the "o-rings" need replaced ever so often.

The tip nut seal is another leak point that can cause flash back. Could also be the tip seal so try a new tip.

Once you've cleaned up the mating surfaces, you then need to remove the carbon from inside the tubes then install the new o-rings. Berryman B12 disolves carbon on contact, available at any auto parts store as carb cleaner.

I think you haven't got it clean and or a leaking nut.

T_Bone

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Truck

04-09-2006 05:09:29




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 Thanks! and another follow up Q.. in reply to T_Bone, 04-08-2006 08:29:25  
Hey thanks!.. And a quick question.. What I am calling a mixing tube, it screws inside one of the tubes you see from the outside, using an allen wrench. Where it fits into the brass piece the cutting handle is on.. there are two grooves that could be for O rings. One O ring each groove, or only one in the lower groove? Or none at all?

I might have to break down and hit my local welding guy to find the right O ring. The neoprene ones in my kit don't seem quite large enough in cross section to seal on anything.

I used the torch handle yeaterday with a welding tip and a rosebud tip.. Worked 100 percent. So I know the problem is in the cutting head.

Thanks for all the help. I knew it could be fixed, and it ain't got the better of me yet...

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Stan in Oly, WA

04-08-2006 10:38:35




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 Re: Possessed Victor style cutting head.. in reply to T_Bone, 04-08-2006 08:29:25  
Hi T_Bone,

A leaking nut? Yikes! Now there's a horrible mental image. I spit coffee all over the keyboard when I read that. That's what happens when you have a vivid imagination and an eighth grader's sense or appreciation for the unintentional double meaning.

Thanks for the tip about the carb cleaner. I can see that carbon buildup is the problem in my Victor torch, but I didn't know how to deal with it without possibly making the situation worse. Isn't that carb cleaner pretty toxic stuff, though, benzyne or something? I've heard that breathing too much of it can cause---you guessed it---leaking nuts.

All the best, Stan

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MSM

04-06-2006 23:46:54




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 Re: Possessed Victor style cutting head.. in reply to Truck, 04-06-2006 18:17:52  
There should not be any o-rings in it.It should be a metal to metal fit.Common o-rings will not stand the heat.Possibly if it is a knock off,it might have had steel sealing rings,but definitely not rubber. The backfiring and popping you are encountering is caused by the fuel and air cross mixing and burning in the head,and not at the tip.Might be a wise idea to toss it out,before it causes a backflash to the tanks.

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Truck

04-07-2006 10:16:06




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 O ring location in reply to MSM, 04-06-2006 23:46:54  
THE o rings were not up behind the torch tip. There are two silver colored tubes from the head that go down to the brass part the cutting lever is attached to. If you take off the tubing nuts, the upper head pulls out and there is an inner mixing tube inside one of the chrome tubes. On mine, when I pulled it apart, there was the remains of some sort of seal at the bottom of this "mixing tube" right near the end you put your allen wrench into to tighten it.

I definitely have to examine the sealing areas in the head more closely. Sounds like that is my problem, something isn't sealing well. Somehow O2 is getting into the AC part of the torch and it isn't supposed to.

I haven't reached the throw away stage altho I have come real close! After all it is a stupid little chunk of metal and I'm smarter than it is, I thought...lol.

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Stan in Oly, WA

04-07-2006 11:21:10




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 Re: O ring location in reply to Truck, 04-07-2006 10:16:06  
Hi Truck,

If it were mine, my decision about how much effort to put into trying to get it working right would be influenced by whether it already had flashback arrestors installed. Since I'm figuring it out as I go, I'd want to know that the worst outcome would be that I couldn't fix it, not that I'd burn anything up in the process.

Just my $0.02, Stan



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Stan in Oly, WA

04-06-2006 21:42:02




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 Re: Possessed Victor style cutting head.. in reply to Truck, 04-06-2006 18:17:52  
Hi Truck,

I doubt if this will help much but here's what I know. I bought a Victor cutting torch on eBay last year. It was still in the shrink-wrap packaging from a shop which had rebuilt it. The first time I used it it would pop about every 2 seconds. It did something worse when I pressed the lever for oxygen, but I can't remember now what it was. My friend, who runs the welding program where I have shop privileges took the torch and cranked down really hard on the nut that holds the tip. After that it worked all right.

I got out the torch a little while ago to refresh my memory. The tip has to make a metal to metal seal with the torch head socket in two different places. The metal in my torch head looks just like it wouldn't make a good seal. I don't know what to do about it. I might try putting a wad of steel wool in against the rough metal and turning it with a wooden dowel in a drill. I'll be pretty surprised if that helps. In the mean time I can reef on the nut until I buckle the supply tubes.

All the best, Stan

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Mortise

04-06-2006 19:39:24




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 Re: Possessed Victor style cutting head.. in reply to Truck, 04-06-2006 18:17:52  
Usually about the time they get like that they find a home in the scrap pile



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ednillinois

04-06-2006 19:09:22




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 Re: Possessed Victor style cutting head.. in reply to Truck, 04-06-2006 18:17:52  
check the area around the tip seal surface or a loose or damaged tip will cause the backfire



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