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alg

04-06-2006 14:52:50




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I have a b&d 9.6v cordless drill.After charging the batteries I show 10v at the battery,but the drill has no real power at all.Can't even drill a hole in wood.Could it be bad brushes causing this?




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LeMaverick

04-07-2006 19:47:34




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 Drills and Batteries in reply to alg, 04-06-2006 14:52:50  
Alg, in this case you may want to get a new drill. The 18-volt models have quite a bit more torque and endurance than the 9.6 you have, and old batteries just keep getting worse until they spend more time on the charger than on the drill.

I bought Ryobi last year, partially because brand new battery packs cost only $20 each (and a lot of other brands cost two or three times that much).

Harbor Freight was selling a �kit� with 18-volt drill, trim saw, flashlight, charger and two batteries for $100. I couldn�t pass that one � and bought two spare batteries at the same time.

No complaints after several months -- and the saw works surprisingly well and is "handy as pockets on a shirt".

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KEB

04-06-2006 21:05:19




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 Re: Cordless drill in reply to alg, 04-06-2006 14:52:50  
Are you measuring 10 volts with a load, or with no load? NICADs are nominally 1.2 volts/cell (8 cells = 9.6 volts), but its not uncommon for them to be up around 1.3 when fully charged. By the way, NICAD "memory" is mostly urban legend.

The term "memory" refers to a tendancy for NICADs which are repeatedly partly discharged to eventually limit their capacity to however much they've been discharged. Modern NICAD batteries have almost no "memory", and only show that if they're repeatedly charged and discharged to exactly the same level. In a service such as a cordless drill, the chances of you repeatedly discharging the batteries to the same level before every charge is almost nil. Newer technologies such as NiMH do not show memory effects.

"Memory" was a problem at one time with applications such as low-orbit spacecraft, where the batteries would be repeatedly charged and discharged to the same level as the craft went in & out of eclipse. Even with older technolgy batteries, a couple of deep discharge/charge cycles would eliminate any memory effects.

"Solutions" such as freezing the batteries will sometimes work as a short term fix. What's probably happened in your case is that one of the cells has developed a high-impedance internal connection, which limits the total amount of current the batteries can provide.

A fix? As much as I hate to contribute to our disposable mentality, throw the drill away & buy a new one. There are places that'll replace the cells in your existing battery pack, but it'll probably cost you more to have that done than to simply buy a new drill. Last new drill I got was actually cheaper than replacing the batteries in the old one, and it works a lot better.

Keith

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larry in tn

04-07-2006 06:50:00




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 Re: Cordless drill in reply to KEB, 04-06-2006 21:05:19  
The posting by Keith/KEB is very accurate in content and advice. The drill battery is not meant to last a life time. It's basically a device depending on chemical action/reaction to produce voltage/current. The battery consumes itself over a period of time.

Based on my own experience, heat is the biggest culprit. Fast chargers cause over heating. A price you pay for convenience. Improper storage that exposes the battery to high temp. is also a killer. I keep my batteries in a cooler when on my service truck.

Use a slow/low charge rate of approx. 100ma for 12 hours. Discharge the battery from time to time using a resistor that puts about a 500ma load on the battery. Don't over discharge. Nicads have a limited range between full charge and discharge.(1.25vdc to 1.20vdc)

I normally get about 14 months use from a battery pack. I've tried repairing the packs but mixing new cell's with old has not worked very well.

Rechargeable tools of any kind are a last resort. They're neat and handy but just not that dependable for day after day hard use.

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jeffcat

04-06-2006 18:21:01




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 Re: Cordless drill in reply to alg, 04-06-2006 14:52:50  
This problem has come up a lot of times on here. Take the battery and throw it in the freezer for a day or two. This will drive the thing as far down as possible. The "memory" should be gone. Let it slowly warm up a day or two and then try a charge. If it now works,{yea}. If you don't have power you need a new one. Jeffcat



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msb

04-06-2006 17:12:20




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 Re: Cordless drill in reply to alg, 04-06-2006 14:52:50  
Those ni-cad batteries do have a memory and won't take on more charge that what has been used.The best thing to do it to turn the drill on and let it run until completely down.Then it might once again take a full charge.Your best bet is to buy a new B&D 24 volt drill.Got one for a gift.It makes all the other cordless drills obsolete.Incredible power for a cordless.



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Tyler in SD

04-06-2006 16:01:56




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 Re: Cordless drill in reply to alg, 04-06-2006 14:52:50  
Skip, what do you mean when you say "memory"? Does the battery become weak when you charge it too often?



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Skip

04-06-2006 15:16:37




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 Re: Cordless drill in reply to alg, 04-06-2006 14:52:50  
I wouldn't think its the brushes unless you've used the drill A LOT!!
Probably the battery has developed what is termed a "memory".
Try www.primecell.com to get the battery rebuilt.



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van robinson

04-06-2006 21:11:43




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 Re: Cordless drill in reply to Skip, 04-06-2006 15:16:37  
you don't want to run the battery completely down to nothing if it is an older battery. doing this can cause a reversal of the polarity of one or more of the cells of the battery.



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