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Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for firewoo

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Midwest redneck

04-04-2006 15:06:09




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I have about 15 or more dead elm trees (dutch elm disease) all trees are 4-10 inches in diameter and straight trunks. I will use it for firewood, but does burning the elm spread the dutch elm disease? If you know please chime in. There are lots of dead elm trees in my area, it appears to be all over.




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Dave NE IA

04-06-2006 17:38:27




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
I can only speak of the two main elms in our area, and other areas must have something different. We have mainly red or white elm. White is called Pi$$ elm and I leave it in the timber even if given to me. I have a splitter that will eat it up, no problem. The white elm gives off good heat perhaps, but when the flame goes out it leaves no hot coals, so you must restart it in the morning. Red elm is great, if the bark is gone it will last for years in the timber and still be great for a hot fire, will also leave hot coals for morning. Chineese elm is realy incredible to watch burn, as after the hot sorce of fire that starts it burning goes out, it will burn to ashes without hardly any open flame. It will remind you of a fire cracker fuse, only slow burning. Elm are a known sorce of danger as when they hit the ground they throw batons (limbs) back at the man who sawed it down. If you shake them with a cat you best have a good canopy, and a lot of guts, and a few rolls of fresh toilet paper on hand. About the only way I can tell white elm from red is to cut a chunk of bark off and break it. If it has a white marbeling in it, it is white elm. Red elm is coco colerd clear thru. Splitting elm takes some comon sence, you many times must slab it with a maul. Most folks try to split it through the center like a pie. Paul Bunion would struggle that way. Just chip the edges off till you work it down to a smaller size. Hope this gives you a little help. Dave NE IA

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buickanddeere

04-05-2006 20:50:21




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 Widow makers Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I u in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
A freshly "dead elm" is noted for having several heavy limbs which are well rotted years before the tree completly dies. These rottom limbs fail to snap off during high winds but drop at the slightest shake while cutting the main tree trunk. These falling limbs will home in and hit who ever is standing anywhere close to the tree.



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Billy NY

04-06-2006 06:41:10




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 Re: Widow makers Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do in reply to buickanddeere, 04-05-2006 20:50:21  
That is an excellent point, I've got a tall one here with the limbs from the canopy still in place, if one of them was to break off, hard to say how you would get away from it. Even the vibration from a piece of equipment like a crawler can shake one loose. This one is on the property line, the owner has a lot surrounded by our land, thickly grown with elms, many are dead, I got permission to take those, while we were standing next to the big one, he says how about taking this one ? Yeah buddy, I don't think so, he's in the excavation business too, much better equipped than I. We laughed, I told him I ain't goin near it with a saw ! Only way I'd touch it is with a 150' cable attached to my D7 drawbar, and snap the top off or limbing it from a bucket truck or manlift. The place was a former state police barracks and there is a business there now, one of these days a big one is going to come down onto one of their work vans. Just a 1 1/2 months ago, a state d.o.t. supervisor driving through a state park, was crushed by a huge pine that broke off in a high wind storm, the late model S-10 cab was crushed, he was killed instantly, the odds of being in that tree's way have to be phenominal, but unfortunately he was there, was a very tragic event.

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Leland

04-05-2006 19:55:12




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
I have burnt lots of it but make sure it is well seasoned or I have saw a 6" fresh chunk put out a hot hedge fire .



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Easy

04-05-2006 16:22:42




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
Yeah, go ahead and burn baby, burn!!! I have burned lots. It doesn't spread the disease, but the wood is hard to split. Good firewood tho. Another thing - morel mushrooms grow around dead elm trees - very frequently. Good luck.



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Ron from IL

04-05-2006 07:59:12




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
I think people are talking about two varieties (at least) of elms. The most common around here are referred to as "pi$$" elms, because of the distinctive, not-so-pleasant smell they emit when burning. The other variety is, I think, American elm. It is a much more desirable tree, burns hotter/longer/cleaner than the other species. Those damned "pi$$" elms were forever dying and falling into the yard of the place I sold last year, which was bordered by woods. Seems like they never fell into the woods, only into the yard. They have about a million branches, and shatter into a bazillion pieces when they fall. Also hard on saw chains. Anything that was big enough to split got heaved back into the woods.

Ron

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nw_bearcat

04-05-2006 07:22:54




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
cut a few sticks, and if you bang them together and they ring, it'll burn good and hot, if not, it will burn up quick. if it's red elm, i'd mix some green wood in with it, or it'll get too hot. also the red elm is tough to cut, make sure your chain is sharp, and your oiler is working well



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hayray

04-05-2006 05:45:37




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
Burning it won't spread Dutch Elm, besides it is already spread every where, the Elm trees all grow to a certain age and then sucumb to the effects of the Dutch Elm Beetle. Elm burns really hot and is really hard, have a really sharg saw and your splitting maula and hammer and wedge will just bounce right off of it, I have to get a guy to come in with a splitter if I have big logs, no way I can split them.

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NC Wayne

04-04-2006 19:44:44




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
I'll chime in and agree with the rest, elm is great for burning. I had a neighbor take down several to make room for an addition to his house and he gave them to me to get them out of the way. They had about a month or two drying time before winter set in and I have to say it was the best wood I had to burn all winter. It seemed to burn hotter than anything else and not being "well seasoned" it also seemed to burn a little longer than anything else one you got it started.

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Paul from MI

04-04-2006 18:45:16




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
Cut all of them you can get. We have heated with wood for over 30 years and dead elm is very good firewood. We have lots of it here in Southern Michigan, I haven't had to cut a live tree in a long time. If it's standing and the bark has fallen off, it'll stay solid for a long time. If the bark is still on, cut it as fast as you can. It splits best with a hydraulic splitter. I run one with a 4" cylinder off the Powertrol on my A, but once it a awhile I wish it had more power. It still does the job and gives me an excuse to own one more tractor.
Paul

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Billy NY

04-04-2006 18:30:47




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
Yes, it burns hot, cut it up remove the bark and burn the bark if you store it. The damn disease killed every old one we had, they are a magnificent tree, the "Ulmus Americana". It may differ from other hardwoods, but it does burn well, after it is dried awhile, it can be split much easier, it's got a spiral grain that makes it difficult. I've got quite a bit of it to take down here and around the area wherever I can get it, it sells too.

Dutch elm disease is a fungus spread by an insect, the best thing you can do is get rid of all the dead trees, debark and burn any you store, helps prevent the spread of it by eliminating the habitat for the carrier insect. The disease cuts off the water flow with in the structure that carries in inside the tree, it starves for water and dies.

You can also purchase the fungicide to prevent the disease, you drill holes in the base, use a pressurized tank to feed an injection harness, use a drill to make the holes and hammer to pound in the harness tips, open the valve and fill er up. I did one that took 55 gallons once a few years ago, it had already flagged, ( yellow group of leaves on top ) so my attempt to save it was frugal. The dutch elm research institute can provide the fungicide, it's not cheap either, but a long time favorite tree is hard to replace, they have a species that is immune to D.E.D. the Liberty Elm, but I do not know if it has the same impressive canopy as the indigenous species.

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Butch(OH)

04-04-2006 18:25:03




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
Yup, as the others said it will burn and make heat, just takes more of it and makes lots of ashes. The bigger stuff can be split by hand methods when its about zero out otherwise a hydraulic splitter is needed. I burn a lot of it.



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David Clift

04-04-2006 18:10:17




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
Ya could wait about 3 or 4 weeks and depending where you are dead elms can produce some dandy yellow morels, Mmmmmm mm.



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DRL

04-04-2006 15:31:48




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2006 15:06:09  
No, the smoke will not spread the disease. Elm is not the most desirable wood to burn as it burns up pretty fast, but it will work. Got to get it used up pretty fast anyhow. It will rot down pretty fast if it is left out and unprotected. Get that chainsaw going and enjoy the fire next winter.



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UPRED

04-04-2006 15:46:33




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to DRL, 04-04-2006 15:31:48  
Elm is good for fire wood, especially if it is all ready dead, even the "punky" or spongy wood will burn but elm will not retain coal like oak will. Best to split it with a hydraulic splitter as the grainy nature of elm makes it difficult to split by hand. Will burn best in a stove with an induced draft. we burnt a lot of dead elm that we got for free just to get rid of it.

just my experience -- Rick

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Midwest redneck

04-04-2006 16:06:36




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 Re: Lots of Dead elm trees.....Do I use it for fir in reply to UPRED, 04-04-2006 15:46:33  
Yes I have used some of the other trees that have died last winter, only about 20 or so logs, it is a good firewood. After the trees are dead for one year the bark falls off and it is a barren log--standing and drying, waiting for a chainsaw to slice it up. It is amazing all the elms that are dead in my area. Every elm you see on the roads are barren and need to be cut down.



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