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Shopguy

03-02-2001 10:03:33




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Any opinions on electric paint guns for interior latex?Worth it or should i stick with a roller?
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Al




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tools

03-02-2001 11:15:55




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 Re: Power painters in reply to Shopguy, 03-02-2001 10:03:33  
Oh, one more thing. During the squadron project, one guy showed up with a wagner power sprayer (not the HVLP I rented), like you regularly see advertised on mainstream TV. It really didn't perform very well. Also, I've used a wagner power roller and power paint brush and didn't like them at all either.

Mike



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Tools

03-02-2001 11:13:35




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 Re: Power painters in reply to Shopguy, 03-02-2001 10:03:33  
Hi,

I've painted a LOT of interior (and some exterior) latex with a Campbell Hausfield 3/4 HP airless sprayer. The bad news is that you really don't save any time overall for normal sized projects, as you spend a LOT of time taping things over. If it isn't taped over AND down, it's getting painted! The good news is that you don't spend a lot of time up to your elbows in paint. It takes about 10 minutes to paint a large bedroom, and you probably won't even need a stepladder with normal ceilings. Overall I like the thing and will continue to use it, costs about $350. By the way, in the Navy, I painted the barracks (as part of a squadron pitch in and help effort) and ran 45 GALLONS through this thing in one afternoon! Never skipped a beat and did a really good job.

I've also rented a Wagner HVLP sprayer to spray gloss enamel latex on kitchen cabinets that had previously been stained a dark brown. Of all the HVLP's out there, this was a really modest unit. However, it REALLY did a nice job and the results were superb. It costed $50 a day and it took me two days. I didn't bother to tape things up more than a few feet away and overspray wasn't a problem. Also, it took FOREVER to use up the quart it held, very efficient. Took two coats (and only about a gallon of paint) to do an entire kitchen (all the insides, outsides, doors and drawers) full of cabinets.

Mike

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VaTom

03-02-2001 15:26:39




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 Re: Re: Power painters in reply to Tools, 03-02-2001 11:13:35  
Mike (Tools) got the two types exactly. If you have a LOT of paint to apply and can live with the overspray, airless. If you don't have big volume and especially don't want the bounceback to get into the air, hvlp. I'm surprised he got performance out of a Wagner. I use a more expensive brand, made my air gun obsolete. Immensely nicer painting environment. But for painting inside a not-new house, cut and roll, unless you're applying something that needs a much better finish sprayed, like cabinets.

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Shopguy

03-02-2001 14:01:20




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 Re: Re: Power painters in reply to Tools, 03-02-2001 11:13:35  
thanks for the input Mike,let me pick ypur brain some more.A local liquidation place has pitsburg homegaurd paint for half price in 5 gal pails.Its interior wall flat latex,pastel base.Would you use it unmixed as a primer?If so would you thin it(buddies have recommended,I don't know).What about as a cieling top coat,and tinted for the walls i have always used para eggshell low luster,is flat a simular finish?
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Al

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tools

03-05-2001 08:35:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Power painters in reply to Shopguy, 03-02-2001 14:01:20  
Hey Shopguy,

Not sure about the "low luster" vs satin finish. Should work fine as a undercoat, as long as the reason you need a undercoat is to save money on a more expensive topcoat and you figure you're going to need multiple coats to make a BIG color change and NOT because you're switching from oil based paint to latex. If you're doing the oil to latex conversion, use either a oil based primer made for that, or an EXPENSIVE latex based primer made just for that. As you can see, it's either time (big messy clean up), or money! If you don't, you'll learn something about how I imagine they make Saran wrap...(uh, so I've heard). So, except for that, the main difference in latex paints is their durability and coverage. Spraying takes care of the coverage issue. Cheap paint and brushes and rollers means LOTS of coats. Spraying just seems to work better and with only one coat (unless it's a RADICAL color change like my kitchen cabinets). So, unless you're planning to scrub the walls alot with a greenie weenie, it should be just fine.

As for thinning. ONLY thin latex wall paint if you're planning on painting something with a brush and cannot tolerate brush strokes. And then I'd ONLY use Flotrol (brand) latex paint thinner. It's syrup consistency and looks like skim milk. Works great if your brush painting doors with gloss (or semigloss) latex. For spraying, don't bother.

Hope this helps, sorry so late getting back to you, been in Atlanta learing to fly Boeing 727's! Never flew anything this big before, hope I don't scare too many people!

Mike

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Shopguy

03-05-2001 13:26:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Power painters in reply to tools, 03-05-2001 08:35:00  
Thanks Mike
I won't worry about you flying if you don't worry about me making parts for those big birds.
Al



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Deal!...Tools, no text

03-06-2001 12:57:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Power painters in reply to Shopguy, 03-05-2001 13:26:22  
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T_Bone With Another?

03-02-2001 18:24:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Power painters in reply to Shopguy, 03-02-2001 14:01:20  
Hi guys, while your at it, tell me what I need to paint my pick-up and tractor. I need spray gun, air filter?, paint and primer advice. Not so much how too but what brands and types do you suggest but I will take all tips and tricks. I've never painted a vehicle but have body work experience so thats covered. What book would you suggest for vehicle painting?

What will be the ball park approx. cost difference to go with excellant equipment and paint to maybe 2nd best or does it pay to go 2nd best. I may paint another 4 or 5 tractors in my life time but no more trucks. And where's the best place (type of store) to buy the paint and primer?

T_Bone

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Al English

03-03-2001 13:24:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Power painters in reply to T_Bone With Another?, 03-02-2001 18:24:00  
Hi T-Bone, Your questions open up a lot of possibilities, kind of like someone asking you "what do I need to weld". It sounds like you have a handle on the prep work, so we'll go from there.

Paint Guns:
Sharpe, Binks, and DeVilbiss are all good guns from companies that have been around for a long time. I would not spend the extra money in a HVLP gun unless you have a specific reason for wanting one. Even in the hands of an expert a cheap gun is just that. You will only have one gun so don't get a cheap one, and avoid the so called "primer guns". It's been over five years since I've bought a paint gun so I'm not up on the current models. But just like welders, the best, second best, and maybe third best guns are all going to capable of doing an excellent job.

Air Filter:
So, long as your lines are clean a filter is not really necessary. It is however, very important to have NO water in the air when painting. A filter/separator located at the end of the air hose will not compensate for the need to keep the air system dry. That being the case, don't spend a lot of money for some "magic" water trap.

Paint:
PPG and Dupont are the two major suppliers. Both have good products, and I would recommend either one. You'll have to go to an automotive or industrial paint supplier to buy their paint. If you know someone in the auto body business they may be willing to pass along their discount to you. Polyurethane paint is the most durable paint that is generally available. However, it is hazardous to work with, and is so glossy it will make your tractors castings look like they were cast with gravel rather than sand. Alkyd enamels are still available, and would have been the type of paint originally used on your tractor, but I would opt for a good grade of the more durable acrylic enamels. On your truck you might consider a base-coat/clear coat type of paint. They are pretty forgiving and dry quickly. The fast dry is a major plus when you don't have a spray booth.

Primer:
This one is easy. Use epoxy primer. It is unquestionably the best, and I wouldn't use anything else. It completely seals whatever it goes over, requires no sealer or secondary priming, provides outstanding adhesion, and is so durable it could be used as a top finish. I have used hundreds of gallons of the PPG "DP" series primer, and about 50 gallons of the Dupont variprime. Variprime contains phosphoric acid and is a so called "self etching" primer. Unfortunately people often assume that this primer can compensate for inadequate surface preparation and cleanliness. For most things I like the DP primer the best. It is heavier bodied, is incredibly forgiving, and is slightly less hazardous to use than the acid bearing Variprime. If the finish paint is applied within 24 hours or so, no sanding is required. That is how to do the tractor castings. On sheet metal parts, and on your truck, apply one light coat, let it tack up, then follow up with two more medium heavy coats, letting each one tack up well in between. Let it cure for at least a few days, longer if possible, then lightly wet sand with 240 to 320 wet-or-dry, and finish up with 400grit. These epoxy primers are not good for you. Don't breath it, don't get much of it on you, and don't do it inside without a paint booth. Use the best breathing protection you can find, a supplied air respirator is recommended. By the way, don't forget about this stuff and let it cure in your paint gun. It's bad enough cleaning out the mess, but the harassment from your friends and/or associates makes it even worse.

These primers and paints contain solvents and chemicals that are absorbed through the skin. Anytime you paint wear N-Dex(best) or latex gloves to protect your hands. Well, do I get some kind of award for posting the longest answer of all time on this forum?...Al English

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T_Bone

03-03-2001 14:59:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Power painters in reply to Al English, 03-03-2001 13:24:27  
Hi al, Well as you said to Mark, what a well thought out post and thank you for your time!

I realize it's a hard question to answer as most questions on this forum are. I'm planning on putting up a temparory visquine building as a paint booth as I just don't have a shop large enough for painting.

Good to see great spray gun company's still around. I have a old Binks gun but have never used it. It was clean when put away so may just have to replace a few parts to get it back to square one.

I never have liked painting, but never had the time to do it correct either so it may grow on me. All the prep work is what I didn't like.

T_Bone

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VaTom

03-03-2001 09:24:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Power painters in reply to T_Bone With Another?, 03-02-2001 18:24:00  
Hey T_Bone, and you're already living in a place where you don't need an oven to bake the enamel. Just wait a couple of months. ;^)



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